Sony plays anti-PR card again in new generation. Aims to dismiss Xbox 360

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TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:10
config wrote:
An entertainment hub able to monitor and indeed dictate what you watch. I'm sure games will feature in there somewhere, but it's hardly "all about the games"

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I'm certain Sony would do the same. But the point is, Microsoft said Xbox was all about games, when in fact it's all about controlling the media you ingest - and getting the biggest, fattest cut for it.


And is there any proof to this, or is it just a theory? No offense, but it seems a little too "conspiracy theory" for me.

do Sony and Microsoft want to be the center hub for your living room? Sure. But do they want to "dictate the media you ingest?" I think that's a stretch.
PEN15
Joined 4 May 2005
46 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:48
-When was X-Box not about gaming? I have yet to use my X-Box for anything but that… unless you mean playing music. Cuz you can play music on your PS2 last I checked. Also what misdirection. Microsoft yes, but I have yet to see the games division do anything of the sort. Hell I think they underestimated what the X-Box could do.

-So even the EA thing was fake…

-A couple of Sony reps were quoted and I saw with my own eyes a Sony rep say its real gameplay. It was on G4 and ign.com has it. I never questioned the rubber ducky demo… but no one is talking or giving a f**k about that now are they? Also KZ is possible… just not now… and not by that team IMO. GG hasn’t proven to be skilled enough to suddenly produce product beyond that of FPS giants like ID, Epic, and (dare I say) Bungie.


It will come down to games, but many people are just assuming that PS3 is so above and beyond powerful that it will create another Dreamcast. For some reason people have it out for Microsoft automatically. And sometimes I think it’s a little beyond a fanboy thing… kinda like they just hate Microsoft itself for some reason or another. They WANT them to fail. This mentality confuses me.

X-Box succeeded and did very well… but ask anyone and they’ll say. The system is nothing without Halo. While important from a technical standpoint that doesn’t make sense. I highly doubt that everyone ONLY owns a copy of Halo. I could easily say well Sony would have been nothing had it not been a cheap DVD player. That’s not even an opinion thats fact. I worked retail during the launch and 2/3 of the people were coming to get a cheap DVD player and not a gaming console.

It’s a bit frustrating the way Sony abuses there gamers. S**tty controllers… buttons getting stuck ALL the time. Two controller ports… even in the damn redesign. I have a multi-tap, but since almost no games support it since it isn’t standard with a console its still in its original case. The system itself broke all the time. The whole year I had yet to see a X-Box system returned… but we had a stack of broken PS2s every other month. Memory cards that f**k up all the time as well.

This is all stuff that is not even game related. This is basic hardware problems. Only thing that pissed me off about X-Box is that almost no one used the custom soundtrack feature. I like PS2 games… the system I could live without. Virtua Fighter 4 is awesome as well as NBA Street (#1). However beyond those games there was nothing much. No decent FPS games… then again the uber X-Box FPS games have spoiled me greatly and no I’m not just talking about Halo.

I understand it’s a business, but Sony s**tted on me for the last time. I play all the systems and Sony is the most frustrating and stupid.
config
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2088 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:59
TwoADay wrote:
config wrote:
An entertainment hub able to monitor and indeed dictate what you watch. I'm sure games will feature in there somewhere, but it's hardly "all about the games"

...snip!...

I'm certain Sony would do the same. But the point is, Microsoft said Xbox was all about games, when in fact it's all about controlling the media you ingest - and getting the biggest, fattest cut for it.


And is there any proof to this, or is it just a theory? No offense, but it seems a little too "conspiracy theory" for me.

do Sony and Microsoft want to be the center hub for your living room? Sure. But do they want to "dictate the media you ingest?" I think that's a stretch.


It's the nature of business. Why waste bandwidth on niche programming with a very small audience potential when you can have millions paying to for the privilege of watching cheap dross - and have advertisers falling over themselves to get their latest hip campaign aligned with it. The shareholders simply wouldn't approve. Think of the dividends!

Think quality drama versus reality TV. Think independant cinema versus hollywood blockbuster. Think garage bands versus Pop Idol fallout.

Think EA's unstoppable sequel frenzy versus the startup-and-collapse developers trying to get a publisher for original ideas.

Sure you can Google for stuff more to your tastes, but when your media hub "postalizes" and sandboxes the Internet, only letting you search for content provided by the highest bidder, its suddenly less useful.

Having media delivered and under the control of one outlet is not a good thing.
TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 16:39
config wrote:

It's the nature of business. Why waste bandwidth on niche programming with a very small audience potential when you can have millions paying to for the privilege of watching cheap dross - and have advertisers falling over themselves to get their latest hip campaign aligned with it. The shareholders simply wouldn't approve. Think of the dividends!

Think quality drama versus reality TV. Think independant cinema versus hollywood blockbuster. Think garage bands versus Pop Idol fallout.

Think EA's unstoppable sequel frenzy versus the startup-and-collapse developers trying to get a publisher for original ideas.

Sure you can Google for stuff more to your tastes, but when your media hub "postalizes" and sandboxes the Internet, only letting you search for content provided by the highest bidder, its suddenly less useful.

Having media delivered and under the control of one outlet is not a good thing.


Okay, you made your point about TV programming, but I still don't see what it has to do with the Xbox or PS2, or Xbox 360 and PS3.

As we know (or should know, seeing we're on a games board) videogames are big business. with big business comes the potential for big bucks. That's the reason MS and Sony got involved. If they can tie in some of their other products (Media Center, PSPs, whatever) they'll do that, but controlling the media? seems a little out of reach for both these companies, to put it mildly.

If Time Warner, Comcast, or NewCorp got involved with set-top boxes, then I would be concerned....
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:05
Ahh the next generation games and consoles, in America we have G4 which is a channel about video games and technology. During E3 i watched this show and encountered some talk about the next consoles and the main statement i heard was it looks so damn good; and that type of talk makes me sad. Because it sure seems to me that alot of people are back to square one in terms of what games are all about and i am not just saying this talking about that one show multiple videogame associations meaning magazines and websites seem to all be back to square one also. All i can say about these events is i sure hope most idiot consumers don't buy into this crap.

Oh wait that was really off the point, does anyone ever wonder what sony might have shown and the e3 conference if they m$ would not have shown their xbox 360 early. Personally i think the ps3 specs would have been sufficiently lower and some features that sony said in there conference(example: yeah were going to have blaablaa you know double whatever M$ has, oh m$ has full media capabillitties and has signed netflix and others on to their services, yeah will have some form of that stuff.).

But if you think this is some bash on Sony because i am a X360 fan, you are completely wrong. I my friend appreciate Nintendo above all others. But, i do have to say that M$ is the only one right now that hasn't completely eaten its words lately and i don't think they will either, later next year or maybe some time this year(iexpect it to be next GDC or E3) whenever sony comes out and says yeah some of that stuff we said we are gonna have, yeah thats not gonna happen cause we just didn't want you to buy an X360.
TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:17
Pistol-Pat wrote:
Ahh the next generation games and consoles, in America we have G4 which is a channel about video games and technology. During E3 i watched this show and encountered some talk about the next consoles and the main statement i heard was it looks so damn good; and that type of talk makes me sad. Because it sure seems to me that alot of people are back to square one in terms of what games are all about and i am not just saying this talking about that one show multiple videogame associations meaning magazines and websites seem to all be back to square one also. All i can say about these events is i sure hope most idiot consumers don't buy into this crap.

...snip...

But if you think this is some bash on Sony because i am a X360 fan, you are completely wrong. I my friend appreciate Nintendo above all others. But, i do have to say that M$ is the only one right now that hasn't completely eaten its words lately and i don't think they will either, later next year or maybe some time this year(iexpect it to be next GDC or E3) whenever sony comes out and says yeah some of that stuff we said we are gonna have, yeah thats not gonna happen cause we just didn't want you to buy an X360.


Allow me to be the first to say:

What?
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:25
exactly what indeed, what indeed.

man there is some good stuff in there how dare you edit it and then repost it.
TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:36
Pistol-Pat wrote:
man there is some good stuff in there how dare you edit it and then repost it.


I hope you're joking. If people want to try to decode what you said, it's as easy as looking at your original post.

PEN15, I too have heard the argument for Halo being the reason for an xbox, but I think it has merit. It's not the sole reason one buys a system, but there is a "tipping point" of sorts, which I think Halo was able to provide.

There are a bunch of games for PS2 that I wouldn't mind playing, but none of them (or even all combined) are enough to make me go out and get the system. The early "Killer App" for these systems helps the system move, but it's not the only reason it moves. Halo, I believe, was the primary reason to buy an Xbox.
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:59
TwoADay wrote:
Hi i am gay and proud and thinks every one is dumbs compared to me although that Pistol-Pat guys post had a point all i will say instead of arguing a realy point is that he is dumb.


dude that was totally uncalled for now if you realy do plan on arguing a point instead of saying that it doesn't make sense and further saying that you did not read it but looked for some thing negative toward Sony and reacted.
TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 18:08
Pistol-Pat wrote:
TwoADay wrote:
Hi i am gay and proud and thinks every one is dumbs compared to me although that Pistol-Pat guys post had a point all i will say instead of arguing a realy point is that he is dumb.


dude that was totally uncalled for now if you realy do plan on arguing a point instead of saying that it doesn't make sense and further saying that you did not read it but looked for some thing negative toward Sony and reacted.


You do realize that no one would think I said that, because I generally follow standard english conventions (i.e. grammar, spelling, subject-verb agreement) and thus make coherant statements, rather than appearing as though a monkey were attempting to type.

Please don't attempt to misquote me again. I deleted some of your original post for the sake of saving space, and did not modify any part of the text presented. To do so, I feel, only highlights that one is a fool who cannot make their point without childish games.
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 18:21
HAHAHHAHAH DUDE WHAT oh sorry caps every one knows you said those stupid things there is no need to lie and there is no need to act like you are intelligent in any way either. Just in case you are wonder the answer is yes indeed i have owned you and you ask how how did i get so owned, then i simply explain to you that the truth is in the pudding and i have eaten the pudding so you will never know. OWNED!!!!??!!!!!
TwoADay
Joined 17 May 2005
215 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 18:42
Pistol-Pat wrote:
HAHAHHAHAH DUDE WHAT oh sorry caps every one knows you said those stupid things there is no need to lie and there is no need to act like you are intelligent in any way either. Just in case you are wonder the answer is yes indeed i have owned you and you ask how how did i get so owned, then i simply explain to you that the truth is in the pudding and i have eaten the pudding so you will never know. OWNED!!!!??!!!!!


yes..."in case i are wonder."

sentences like that show that you are incapable of owning anything, especially a command of the english language.

They DO still teach English in your part of the U.S., don't they?

I tire of this. Go up from your basement and tell your mom that you "owned" me. I'm sure she'll pretend to be proud of you, then realize why you don't have a girlfriend/boyfirend/whatever your preference is.
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 19:12
again i see that you are one of those people who instead of having a point corrects so one grammar. ok if you want to be some sort of teacher, then i need help teach hold my dick i have to go piss.

alright now i just have to know do you have a opinion about this article because i originally posted here trying to get in a discussion about videogames preferably the article i wrote which you severly disliked for whatever reason which you never really explained, other then it what to many words in a row cannot decipher what it says. but, seriously i wanted an actual statement about it.

also you quoted me: "in case i are wonder.." which is out of context it actually says: "in case you are wonder" which is still bad grammar because i forgot the ing on wondering my only guess to what happened would have to be that i thought it and did not type it.
LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 20:17
listen i cant type for s**t, and i barely spell check when posting on here... cause really, i just dont think its neccesary.

Pat. you my freind, need to spend atleast a little time working on the phrasing and structure, i can get your meaning, but its more work than it should be, and the reward is minimal.

Two, i completley agree with you, and im not trying to be an instigator, but the whole "it would seem one is an idiot" sort of writting does make you seem liek your trying to hard to sound smart, unless you have traveled forward in time i doubt you actually talk liek that, and if you do... well... i hope peopel dont reacvt violentley towards to you to often.

cheers!
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DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Fri, 27 May 2005 20:49
So ends the battle of the ages it twas rightfully so an atrocious event that day coming to be known as The Confrontation No Veneer, and one thinks to him what that exactly means, and when asked what that means one man only knows to reply to that statement and utter exactly my friend, exactly.

In the end it seems that the man baring name LUPOS has stolen the thunder once again; so in the imortal words of Yoda one must say "I have failed and must go into exile." So with thunder stolen and pride renounced i must go with one thought in my head and that is atleast i was right, atleast iii waasssss riggghhhtta.

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