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It doesn't work that way. If it did, companies would just pump 10 1ghz processors, which are dirt cheap, rather than 3.2 or 2.5. You need to look at the whole package, including (and especially) how the different monster chips communicate with one another, since that will likely be the largest bottleneck for the generation.

I'll say it here: I mostly play XBox. I like the system. I also have a Gamecube. The best looking game I have is Res Evil 4. In my opinion though, the controlers for the 'Cube aren't as satisfying as the S-Controller. So any multiplatform release I wanted I got for the Big Black Box. I wouldn't say one system has better graphics than the other, it's all about what game is on what system.

More likely 1x1.8GHz.



LOL, I can't stand the XB controllers ;).

excuse me, but you may need to shut up before that acid you are taking wear off. first off, the only reason X-box were selling is because of the internet play. no once never experiance internet play without computers and out of 200 games for the x-box only about a handfull were good (and not good to be a 10). one of those i can say is Halo 1 (halo 2 was full of s**t like you). and the other one were D.O.A ultimate (graphically, it were o.k). and as for the PS2, come on dog, no one could f**k with the PS2, you have over 500 games and over 200 were top notch, but graphically it couldn't f**k with Gamecube and X-box. soulcalibur 2 of the gamecube outsold x-box and ps2 combine (read the figure....IDIOT).now gamecube has over 300 games and more than half were top notch (is the drug wearing off yet?). and for the other guy who talk about looks, dude, (to much masterbating could make you go bling.......surgeon general says so)looks do not make a system, it's what's inside, plain and simple nintendo did not have the specs ready because they needed to see what the rest got first to do better, i guarantee you that x-box 360 and ps2 specs is going to be a little less when they actually have it amended. what ever nintendo is doing now, they are doing it right, they still have 4 more days at E3.....so we'll see.

do not push me, you'll be the apithamy of catching wreck.....

WAKE UP, WAKE UP, it's time to go to school. dude stop dreaming. nintendo "speculation" is not going to be that powerfull, Ps3 is raining champion again.



Human power, Human power.....oohhh snipe did you see that........game over man

where do you get this? nintendo hasn't talked specs yet. you have no idea how many chips it'll have or how powerful they'll be. and for the record, "two to three times as powerful as a GameCube" does NOT approach next generation Xbox or PlayStation tech.

sorry to burst you'll bubble, but the kaplan lady for the "Revolution" system made a mistake by saying it's 2-3 times more powerful than gamecube. the actual figure is 20-30 times more powerful than the gamecube. that what you get when you put a women in charge for public speaking. think about it, how can you download 20years of nintendo games on a 3 times more powerfull system. also, how can you give publisher an unlimited variety of space to make beautiful games and Square-Enix has already begun makeing games for "Revolution" and they even said it's beyond any system that's coming out now. nintendo re-iterate that their is no way possible that they would bring a system only 3 times more powerful than it's current system. that's like puting 3 gamecube into one.....well now you have it guy's, it's 20-30 more powerful than gamecube. that's why they laugh at x-box 360 specs.

ladies, just need to stay in the house and cook...sorry mommy, it wasn't me that said that.....

for the other guy who talk about looks,
looks do not make a system, it's what's inside

Yeah I mentioned looks and here's why.
When Gamecube was released I read so many comments from people saying "urgh it's purple, it's got a handle, it looks like a system made for kids, it looks like a handbag"
And in comparisons between the PSP and the DS I've read so many mentions of how beautiful the PSP is and how cheap looking the DS is.

It's not just about what's inside. looks matter a hell of a lot. Out of the 3 consoles, revolution looks by far the sleekest, and it's down to little detail like how it sits at an angle so the discs will roll into it like a coin into a slot machine or how the ports are hidden under a flap.

Does any of this matter?

well
for Nintendo

Yes it does.
It's not going to give them any advantage over anyone else but it does mean that they aren't going to get dismissed like they did before as being "kiddie".
And having that sort of attention to small details didn't do Apple any harm now did it?

i find it all to hilarious... yu sony fanboys are too much for me. the PS2 is an overhyped machine, i dont own a PS2, but i get the games on my PC 'for free'. allota my buddes have the PS2, and more than i can count, have all 3 consoles. They all got the Cube first, PS2 was around the same time, and once they all got X-box and live, i never saw any of them again... Live took them over. i dont have live, do have an x-brick thoe.

Now what im trying to say is, i have played all 3 consoles for extended periods of time, i enjoyed all 3 of them, and by bashing one or the other, i miss out on waaay too much. the reason i dont buy consoles really is becuz of the price, i cant afford to buy 3 consoles that EA will release repetitive sports games for each console every year.

the PS3 looks nice, visually, but i mean it had better be lookin nice. its been in dev for over 6 years. im not a big fan of its look, kinda looks like an 80's retro toaster.

im kinda driftin off topic... the Rev looks nice as it is, but its supposedly gonna get smaller. its making me drool, at heart im a ninty guy, ive been waiting for nintendo to get it rite again, and take back what is ritefully theirs. if the Rev is under 300 bux, and the PS3, with all its new techno crap, is like 800... who in the rite mind, other than fanboys and rich nerds, are gonna get a PS3.

i may finally buy a NEW console, i cant wait to have Donkey Kong from SNES, Smash bros 64, and new zelda game all on one system.

Heres to hoping ninty can do it good. do it realll good.

MoSys, supplier for the Revolution's 1T-SRAM, has indicated that Nintendo's next-generation console is targeted for a mid-2006 launch.

Further, some key specs for the machine were
According to the site, the console will boast four 2.5Ghz IBM G5 Custom cores, with 128KB of level 1 cache and a 512KB shared level 2 cache, while the graphics will be powered by a dual core ATI RN520 chipset, with 16MB of on-board eDRAM for the frame buffer.

GamesIndustry.biz



Yes...no specs at all...do a tad more research than relying on Nintendo's shrouded E3 conference.

I skimmed over the thread as it was 'nintendo's better''sonys better' blah blah.

I wanted to draw some parallels, Nintendo basically won the 8 and 16 bit generations, but when the next generation it released the most powerful machine, 64 bit whilst everyone was using 32 bits, but got screwed over. Now Sony has dominated two generations, the PS3 is clearly the most powerful as raw power goes...

Anything can happen I think...

It's hard to write subtle satire on the net but that's what I was alluding to. People automatically compare specs like that and automatically assume that a system is more powerful or more capable. In reality we really don't know every working of a computer or console. If we did, we'd all be engineers right now. The fact is that even the most minute detail COULD have some bearing on the final performance of a system, but not every single spec has to be set in stone. There are variables some numbers can sway to yet still be comparable if not more powerful in strength. Unless you really understand the hardware, no one can make claims about a system's ability or not.
In my opinion I don't see an extreme difference in graphics capabilities between PS2 to Gamecube to Xbox. The difference is noticeable, but noticeable at best.
Once you get that high in processor speed, numbers soon become numbers. They are still meaningful, but not as much as they once were just as bits count are now nothing.


@Pilot: Exactly. According to specs, the N64 was at least twice as powerful as the Playstation, but Nintendo was beaten nontheless. I think this is why they've taken such an approach to say that raw processing specs aren't everything because if they were, Nintendo would still reign supreme as the king of home console gaming.

my bad @ specs.

however, don't forget that Mario and nothing but Mario on next Gen tech is still just that. nothing but Mario. remember how nintendo promised that the gamecube would be "more mature" than the pervious system? they got one franchise (RE) and then went strait back to Kirby Air Ride.

also consider that the gamecube is clearly more powerful than the ps2, but is still in last place in this generation of consols. nintendo needs to (but wont) invent itself some mature franchises if it doesn't want Zelda to appear on the ps3.

obviously im not a nintendo fan boy. but why should i be? i spent my money from my first months worth of paychecks on an N64. sure, maybe some of you think $250+ isn't that much to spend for a system with one good game (made by rare) but it was to me. screw nintendo for their constant consol debacles. they wont get one more red cent from me.

I totally agree. I think they SHOULD be an "or" company. If you like simple games try this OR if you like mature games, try that. This AND bullcrap is getting on my nerves. Don't they realize that their previous core audience is now around 30-40yrs old?

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I know. And Nintendo Europe have confirmed it.



Since when have we trusted GI? They make more mistakes than SPoNG ;).

Furthermore I can't find the article anywhere on GI's site, or on popular gaming sites. The most quoted figure appears to be 2 - 4 times the Gamecube.

You didn't seem to catch the numerous things wrong with your last diatribe young unknown. So let's begin the dissection, shall we? First, the ONLY reason the Gamecube version of Soul Caibur II did so well was the prospect of playing as Nintendo's most and arguably the most in all of video games badass character, Link! It also reinforces how much NOT a kiddy machine Gamecube was. If SC II was sold through the roof and people only bought it because of Link (don't tell me the controller or the slighly under the X-Box graphics pushed people to the GC version), that means Link is badass and Nintendo doesn't have such a kiddy style aura about them. Oh and as for the figure, I suppose you were referring to your line of text, we'll call it fig. 1a. I present to you fig. 1a "...soulcalibur 2 of the gamecube outsold x-box and ps2 combine..." Oh yes I read it, over and over! And I was laughing the whole time. If maybe you were referring to actual sales figures, followed by some actual numbers or a link to a story with said figured listed in it, that would of made your quote a little less funny, which I assume you were not going for. Thankfully, I am in the know about all things gaming and know of the figures you speak. So I was able to verify that in fact you have had said something that was factual and also somewhat meaningful.

Now as for problem #2 I present to you my list (fig. 2a):

Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2 - Echoes
Super Mario Sunshine
Mario Party 4
Mario Party 5
Mario Party 6
The Legend of Zelda - The Windwaker
Warioware Inc. - Mega Game$
Donkey Konga
Donkey Konga 2
Eternal Darkness
Metal Gear Solid - Twin Snakes
Ikaruga
Mario Golf - Toadstool Tour
Mario Kart - Double Dash
Mario Tennis
Paper Mario - The Thousand Year Door
Phantasy Star Online - Episodes 1 And 2
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 1
Resident Evil 4
Tales Of Symphonia
Viewtiful Joe
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2

25, count 'em, 25 games that in my opinion are "top notch". Note: these games are or were at one time exclusives on the Gamecube.

Now the total Gamecube (American) library almost tops 500 (www.gamestats.com SEE?! LOOK! A link to back me up!!! What a concept)

25 out of 500, surely not half yet. I'm not even good at math and I know this.

Now I'll assume you were talking about third party NON-exclusives too. Dumb? Yes. Because you're trying make a point that Nintendo has lots of good titles on it, but having the ability to play SSX on PS2 AND X-Box is not going to make me buy a Gamecube. But I expect nothing less from Mr. "unknown". So for arguements sake, let's say you WERE talking about ALL the "top notch" games (fig. 2b http://my.ign.com/my/sb?pageID=2003&nuaction=gameSearch&gameTitleSearch=Enter+Game+Title
Do a search for GC games between 8-10 in ratings, see how many games come up.)
and we get to 183. I'm being real generous here, I don't think anyone would buy Scaler or Dr. Muto but hey who knows!

Alright son, ready for a little more math:

I say 25 GOOD EXCLUSIVE games.
IGN says 183 games rated 8-10.
Gamecube library is roughly 500.
You said "gamecube has over 300 games and more than half were top notch"

So by your numbers 183 out of 300!

Yep, you were right, you win! More than half! Have fun playing Sega Soccer Slam and I-Ninja.

I will walk away in defeat...

I'll back you up a little more; SPOnG has, to date, 566 Gamecube titles in its archive. This will undoubtedly include some territory specific titles, Japanese most likely, but they will be merely a handful.

Thanks. Hey, how's E3 going? And say hey to Lupos for me.

Beyond the drunken reports (it's post-"after-party" in LA when we get to talk with the guys) and editorial you see here, I don't know - I'm still in Blighty, with techy work to do :(

We'll have full reports in the coming days, once the dust settled and our drunken emmisaries have returned and sobered up.