Microsoft: Xbox 360 CAN Run Metal Gear Solid

who gives a flying f**k which is more powerful and which has better graphics? good graphics a good game doesn't make.

Wow, i'm impressed, you actually called me by my name. Not 'Hypertwat' or something else like you've done in the past. But then you say that I have a serious lack of knowledge. Ok.

I know full well that the GPU in the PS3 is less powerful than the 360's GPU. But you have COMPLETELY misunderstood what I was saying. No, a GPU does NOT make a console. Why? Because if you have one console with a s**t load of ram, s**t hot processor, etc, and another that has a better GPU, same ram, but less powerful processor, which do you think is more powerful? Its obviously the first example, being the PS3, because everything else in the hardware is better. I'm NOT saying that the 360 isn't powerful... i'm just saying that, in terms of how much power each console has, the PS3 has a slight advantage. And yes, we have yet to see more games make use of the PS3's power (MGS4 is an exception, and I know not the only one before you say anything) which is incredibly frustrating when PS3 owners like me get things like crappy multiformat versions... or Haze.

And for the record, Kojima did say that it's optimised for PS3. Go look on Google.

Also, what is it with you? Can't you try to be, oh, I don't know... less of an ass hole?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping in this on either side, but you're making an obvious error in your logic.

Its not about the CPU, the GPU, or the RAM. Its about how they all work together. I'm no expert, and I strongly suspect you aren't either, but your argument seems to boil down to: "Well, the PS3 looks better on paper." Now even if this is true, and the "paper" evaluation of the capabilities of component parts of both consoles finds the PS3 with a clear advantage, that doesn't necessarily translate into real-world results.

Your example also fails to account for bottlenecks. You could have the better CPU, and the same amount of RAM(true?), but if your GPU isn't up to handling what they're shoving at it...its obvious that you're not only "wasting" potential power, but that a system with a lesser CPU, but whose design doesn't suffer from such a bottleneck, could outperform it when push comes to shove.

Better games are the ultimate litmus test, and right now the paper isn't turning Sony's color.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/86870-Japanese-Paper-Hushes-Up-MGS4-Story

Japanese Paper Hushes Up MGS4 Story

The Japanese business journal that first reported the possibility of Metal Gear Solid 4 coming to the Xbox 360 has apparently changed its mind about the story, but rather than retracting the report it’s pretending it never happened in the first place.

As is by now widely known, the Kabushkiki journal, published by Japanese investment firm Morningstar, reported a statement by Konami PR representative Yoshitaka Arai saying the company was investigating the possibility of bringing the hit PlayStation 3 release Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360. The statement flew in the face of earlier and oft-repeated denials by by Sony and Konami, but the recent addition of other PlayStation exclusives to the 360 catalog, coupled with the fact that Arai is a Konami employee, lent the statement considerable credibility.

But now, as GameCyte reports, it appears the journal is no longer willing to stand by the story. Instead of printing a retraction as you’d normally expect, however, the publication has apparently taken a page from the Augusto Pinochet school of journalism and decided to make the whole thing just disappear. The article has been drastically modified, and now quotes a different Konami rep talking about a different game series, although the date of the article as it appears on Japanese sites carrying the story has not been changed. A Kabushkiki representative told J-Cast News that the release should not be considered a correction, but rather a “second appearance” of the same report.

When contacted about the change, Konami once again denied plans to port Metal Gear Solid 4 to the 360, while Microsoft Japan had no comment.

Maybe this is how things are done in Japan, I honestly don’t know, but from a North American perspective the whole deal comes off smelling fishy. A retraction would make it clear that this was a legitimate mistake: The guy misspoke, or was misinterpreted, or was drunk and thought it’d be funny, or whatever. But this “second appearance” looks like nothing so much as a cover-up, with all the conspiratorial nonsense that implies. I have no idea if MGS4 will ever come to the 360 and to be quite honest I couldn’t care less, but if Konami is serious about making these rumors go away they’re doing a remarkably poor job of it.

The PS3’s graphics (to me) look sharper, and cleaner than the 360’s. Maybe the PS3 is working in 1080p, rather than up-scaling from 720p, or maybe my TV is better set up for the SONY. On the other hand, the 360 seems to use more, and make better use of various graphics affects. However, I don’t think there’s much in it between the two consoles, however much you and SS4 bitch about it. Of far more importance is how much time and money developers are going to invest in games for the different consoles, so if a console is hard to program, has the smaller install base and a lower attach rate then it’s going to show in the games, especially multi format.

The history of MGS on Xbox is that it’ll get there in the end but it might not be that good a conversion, just a cheap rework to grab the folk who don’t own a Play Station.

haha what a joke

The 360's processor is too weak to handle the game at the same resolution.

The 360 CPU is too weak? That's why it can do games like Bioshock, Gears, COD 4 etc...I can name soo many PS3 ports that look and run like s**t Half Life 2 is a prime example as is The Darkness.

PREY was an awesome game perhaps the GPU in the PS3 was too weak to handle it...

The PS3 CPU is overkill but couple with the memory in the system its bottlenecking with the DDR and the XDR memory so whats the point?

The 360 CPU is designed for gaming, its more than capable and that's why the 360 has far more games and far more support and far more exclusives than the PS3.

Face it this gen the PS3 is finished.

anygame on any hardware got over it

Get over it, the Wii is weeing over both the PS3 & the 360. So tell me, what mighty CPU & GPU lurks at the heart of the all conquering Wii?

I dunno, but from my POV, it looks like the Wii is winning only on hardware sales...in NorAm at least 360 software sales look strong, with the 360 looking like it has a clear advantage over the Wii in multiplatform titles for both consoles, and enough sales of other games to match Nintendo's first party title sales...so they're selling twice as many Wii's but selling fewer games? I'm not sure you can put the Calvin sticker on the back of Nintendo's truck yet.

see Zero Punctuation's treatment of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed for the Wii.

do we really need to have the my cocks bigger than yours if metal gear 4 comes out for 360 which it will some day just looks at all the other metal gear games to no that and yes it probably can run on 360 the big problem the they have is the fact of the size of the dvd compered to the blu ray
dvd 4.7 GB (single-layer), 8.54 GB (double-layer)
blu ray 25 GB (single layer) 50 GB (dual layer)
and mgs4 on the ps3 uses dual layer blu ray (50 GB) as stated in a issue of Famitsu Konami had to take stuff out of the game so it would fit on to a dual layer disc
i hope that you are seeing what i am seeing but if you do not to get MGS4 to run on 360 they would have to put the game on around 6 double layer dvds or 11 single-layer discs which would be pointless as this would make people think twice about buying the game

Fair point, my comments were more aimed at the two willy waving fan boys. However I'll add that Nintendo claims to make money on every Wii sold, and they'll make more money still on the extra controllers they sell so that the whole family can get bored of electric tennis together, not to mention all the next gen bathroom scales they sell. Whereas, I’d guess the 360 and the PS3 would need to shift a fair bit of software per console to burn back into profit.

Meh, from my perspective, I could care less who makes money...if MS is content to throw money at the problem, while at the same time satisfying me as a consumer...well, the fact that Nintendo is making money on every Wii they sell is trivia. MS (maker of my console of choice) making more money than Nintendo or Sony isn't going to make my cock any more huge than it already is, my truck any newer, or my hairline retrograde, the fact that others appear to feel otherwise doesn't signify. My sense of self-worth doesn't depend on how much money my console makes, or schadenfreude, for that matter. (Its actually delicate dichotomy, balancing a hairline that resembles the Eastern Front in the late stages of WW II, and the aftermentioned huge cock.) Some other chap's balance sheet sounds like an accountant's idea of a scoreboard, not a gamers...

For the record, I'm thinking the Wii has yet to truly prove itself more than a(n admittedly highly profitable) toy/gadget/fad/Tickle Me Elmo.

Also, for the record, the fact that SW:TFU on the Wii stinks on ice makes me sad...I have a buddy who got one for his birthday, but hes an odd, anti-social duck who hasn't even opened it yet. If TFU was any good, I'd make him bust it out and get my Force on. Even the 360 version was lacking something...oh wait, what was it?

DARK SIDE POINTS!

I'll agree with that (maybe leaving your dick and your dichotomy out of it) so long as they make enough money to keep making better games, and better consoles, or the next gen after this could be very dull indeed, 3xWii and 3xShort term family entertainment (How good would that not be?).

At least there would be still fun to have and not formulaic halo-clones that bore the piss out of me after an hour. Yes i said it! Call of Duty 4 was boring! it had all the faults of the last ones, added the faults of present FPS's and added more bump-mapping, huzzah! The best parts of the game were the ones you weren't allowed to use your gun...in a shooting game.

*pant pant* Anyone excited by Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New world?

Well at least at the moment you can choose games targeted at a wide range of users. My hope is that Nintendo’s success popularises gaming. My fear is that the Nintendo model becomes overly dominant. It’s good that Nintendo gets everyone thinking about good, basic, game play and good that they don’t just target the core gamer market but, bad if the market narrows too pursue only the lowest common denominator.

And hey, it’s okay to not like CoD4. I enjoyed it but didn’t like feeling that it was targeting the “Guns and Ammo” reader.

So how would you shake up FPSs? Turn base combat maybe?

Seriously speaking though, the PS3 was designed to run HD stuff. WHy it has that piece of garbage of a gpu is beyond me. But I think that it is possible to get MGS4 on a few DVDRoms. Believe it or not, the game itself isnt taking up all of that space...its the multiple audio tracks.

MGS4 Bluray Disc contents:
Kojima wanted initially to put all languages on one disc.That means all of the sounds, and voices must be mastered in high def audio...roughly around 7.1/Theater quality. And it is ALL UNCOMPRESSED SOUND DATA. That is why the sound is great on Bluray(and HD-DVD's audio was great as well.). You can't really compress audio that well,without quality loss. For instance..I found that the PAL version(of MGS4) has 6 language audio tracks. Now multiply that by Dolby 7.1/DTS/Theater sound and you'll probably see how(and why) BluRay's mammoth space was needed. Next is the sound efx data...just mulitiply that by Dolby 71./DTS/Theater sound and add that to the language track sound data.

But also the game is optimized to run off the PS3's HDD, which is odd because not all of the game is on it. Else the initial install time would be longer. If MGS4 allowed you to install the ENTIRE contents of the discs,the install would have been easily at least 20gb. Gears of War for PC was on a DVD9, yet it was a 12gb full install(w/ map editor). I refuse to believe that its not possible to squeeze MGS4 to 3 DVD9's. Lost Oddessy was 3 discs..but it had plenty of high quality CG on it. FF7-3 CD's (CG present) shouldve been 2, FF8 & 9 where both 4 CD games( with 2x more CG on them than FF7). MGS4 may have great visuals, but it has no CG at all. Its possible for MGS4 to be 3 DVD9s, with a single language audio track,and Dolby 5.1 audio for sound efx.

How about a single DVD9, with the cutscenes availible streaming via LIVE!, if you can be arsed to sit through them.

The new hardware that enables the xbox360 to install games on the harddrive might be a factor in MGS4 on the xbox360 but you still need to put the cd in whilst playing.Changing cd's like a formula one car tyre won't workbecause of the HD-DVD and Blue ray disc situation so it's likely to be impossible. I also want MGS4 to come out on the xbox360 but let's face reality instead of pointless dreams. This is why it came out on the Ps3 and not on the Xbox360

Ps Im a Playstation3 fan but i'm not like the others who think with their dicks instead of their heads.Xbox360 is currently the best but Playstation3 has his advantages just like the xbox360