Xbox 360: Metal Gear Solid 4 - Clue Spotting
If FFXIII can go to Microsoft, why not Metal Gear Solid?
Rumour and speculation are already rife in the video game news-a-sphere regarding the number two plus the number two being put together in order to create... 22. Following Square Enix's announcement that the latest iteration of its revered Final Fantasy IP will be released in the west on both Sony's PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360 - reports are already emerging that Metal Gear Solid IV will be next†.
This would not be a huge surprise given that back in December of 2005 we reported Metal Gear guru, Hideo Kojima as saying, "I want to express, first of all, it’s not that I don’t like Xbox or 360.
"...other Konami developers were able to get their hands on the 360 tools and hardware earlier. But we simply didn’t have time to do that last year.
"...So, after we finished MGS3, the option was to work on the PS3 to try all the new things for Metal Gear Solid 4. The only reason for this is I’m the kind of person who wants to be the first person on the moon, and don’t want to be asking 'What the moon was like?' from other people. So that’s the real story behind selecting PS3.”
He continued to point out that, "Metal Gear Solid has traditionally been with Sony, and I still believe Sony is the best match in terms of the full complete package as a game software.
"However, for the online aspect, this is not the case. I feel no doubt that the online portion alone could be out on either PC or Xbox, maybe not Revolution (Wii), but other formats as well. The online aspect is completely different to the package that we have produced in the past on PlayStation."
Another clue we reported on a possible move to Xbox 360 had come in June of '05, with Kojima pointing out that, "The Xbox 360 is a far more practical solution (than PS3).
"For Xbox 360, it’s a little bit more down to earth, more realistic, so people maybe can join easily to start creating on the 360."
So, all the clues are stacking up, right? In fact, in January this year it was reported on the xboxfamily site that, "Metal Gear Solid is coming to the Xbox 360. This is not a rumour. This is straight from a Konami distribution representative’s mouth. The game is already in production and has been since early 2007."
Seems certain now, doesn't it?
Except, more recently (January in fact) a Kojima representative apparently told thegamereview site that, "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game."
Whoops. All over then, until it is reported in June that "..the original Metal Gear Solid will make its way onto Xbox Live", thus opening channels between Microsoft and Kojima Productions.
Has anybody seen Metal Gear Solid on Xbox Live yet? Nope.
All that history not only gives you the chance to get at least some sense of the turmoil out here on the Interweb but also to arm yourself with a sense of perspective when it comes to the next round. So, is MGS4 coming to the Xbox 360? Even armed with all this history we still can't say one way or another - and until Konami and Kojima Productions give the definitive answer, we'd be stunned if anybody else was able to announce it. We would, however, predict that if it was coming in the next six months, someone at Microsoft would have remembered to say something yesterday.
Before we leave this one, we also thought that it might be a good time to check some of the clues in the FFXIII-to-Xbox 360 journey. Here's one whopping clue straight from the mouth of Square Enix's president Mr Wada:
Square Enix: Wii a Toy & Sony is Confused - 5 December 2007
No Final Fantasy XIII This Year - 24 May 2007
Why Square Enix Wants Simultaneous Releases? - 10 March 2008
Square Enix: We Need to Break Tradition - 20 May 2008
Square Enix Details Xbox 360 RPGs - 10 June 2008
†Source: MCV
This would not be a huge surprise given that back in December of 2005 we reported Metal Gear guru, Hideo Kojima as saying, "I want to express, first of all, it’s not that I don’t like Xbox or 360.
"...other Konami developers were able to get their hands on the 360 tools and hardware earlier. But we simply didn’t have time to do that last year.
"...So, after we finished MGS3, the option was to work on the PS3 to try all the new things for Metal Gear Solid 4. The only reason for this is I’m the kind of person who wants to be the first person on the moon, and don’t want to be asking 'What the moon was like?' from other people. So that’s the real story behind selecting PS3.”
He continued to point out that, "Metal Gear Solid has traditionally been with Sony, and I still believe Sony is the best match in terms of the full complete package as a game software.
"However, for the online aspect, this is not the case. I feel no doubt that the online portion alone could be out on either PC or Xbox, maybe not Revolution (Wii), but other formats as well. The online aspect is completely different to the package that we have produced in the past on PlayStation."
Another clue we reported on a possible move to Xbox 360 had come in June of '05, with Kojima pointing out that, "The Xbox 360 is a far more practical solution (than PS3).
"For Xbox 360, it’s a little bit more down to earth, more realistic, so people maybe can join easily to start creating on the 360."
So, all the clues are stacking up, right? In fact, in January this year it was reported on the xboxfamily site that, "Metal Gear Solid is coming to the Xbox 360. This is not a rumour. This is straight from a Konami distribution representative’s mouth. The game is already in production and has been since early 2007."
Seems certain now, doesn't it?
Except, more recently (January in fact) a Kojima representative apparently told thegamereview site that, "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game."
Whoops. All over then, until it is reported in June that "..the original Metal Gear Solid will make its way onto Xbox Live", thus opening channels between Microsoft and Kojima Productions.
Has anybody seen Metal Gear Solid on Xbox Live yet? Nope.
All that history not only gives you the chance to get at least some sense of the turmoil out here on the Interweb but also to arm yourself with a sense of perspective when it comes to the next round. So, is MGS4 coming to the Xbox 360? Even armed with all this history we still can't say one way or another - and until Konami and Kojima Productions give the definitive answer, we'd be stunned if anybody else was able to announce it. We would, however, predict that if it was coming in the next six months, someone at Microsoft would have remembered to say something yesterday.
Before we leave this one, we also thought that it might be a good time to check some of the clues in the FFXIII-to-Xbox 360 journey. Here's one whopping clue straight from the mouth of Square Enix's president Mr Wada:
"The Wii is the antithesis of the Xbox 360. It's strictly for hardcore gamers. The attachment rate for the Xbox 360 is much higher than for the Wii. People who buy the 360 really like games... I think the current trend is that most people aren't buying the Wii as a game machine, but as a toy... It seems that Sony isn't sure what it wants to do. Is it making high-end electronics or a game console for gamers? I want them to clearly define their console."
(December 2007)Square Enix: Wii a Toy & Sony is Confused - 5 December 2007
No Final Fantasy XIII This Year - 24 May 2007
Why Square Enix Wants Simultaneous Releases? - 10 March 2008
Square Enix: We Need to Break Tradition - 20 May 2008
Square Enix Details Xbox 360 RPGs - 10 June 2008
†Source: MCV
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deadlybrand 17 Jul 2008 19:31
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David wrote:
Well, at this point the 360 hardware can make better a smoother games than the PS3
Can you prove it by a fact not just saying that you own both.
dvd 9 can take 30GB OF DATA COMPRESSED
Are you for real, just check wiki and you WILL understand that the Xbox uses DVD DL, up to 8.5 gigabytes per side, per disc, compared with 4.7 gigabytes for single-layer discs.
LEARN and then come and bash people online, see no one cares if you own both, sinice your an idoit.
By the way :Media DVD, DVD-DL, CD
just because i know your TOO smart to search wikipedia
Can you prove it by a fact not just saying that you own both.
dvd 9 can take 30GB OF DATA COMPRESSED
Are you for real, just check wiki and you WILL understand that the Xbox uses DVD DL, up to 8.5 gigabytes per side, per disc, compared with 4.7 gigabytes for single-layer discs.
LEARN and then come and bash people online, see no one cares if you own both, sinice your an idoit.
By the way :Media DVD, DVD-DL, CD
just because i know your TOO smart to search wikipedia
first,im not bashing any one, except you that it seems i can call you a BIG IDIOTIC FANBOY !if you can estate that the 360 runs games better and smoother,is just because you probably dont own a 360 and most like a PS3! and every body nows that DVD9 is DL dont need to go to wiki!and yes dvd 9 compressed can hold 30GB of data,of course that is very hard to decompress all that data on the fly, BUT there are 120 GB HDD FOR THE 360.
David 17 Jul 2008 19:53
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F**K YOU MOTHERfuckER! DIE AND GO TO HELL! KOJIMA DOESN'T LIKE XBOXfuck60. IT'S NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO HANDLE MGS4. KOJIMA WANTS A THEATER EXPERIENCE FOR HIS GAMES, ONLY ON PLAYSTATION 3. HE DOESN'T WANT YOUR VHS PLAYER 360. IT'S TOO FAG-LIKE. F**K OFF AND I HOPE YOUR SITE GETS HACKED.
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what? 17 Jul 2008 19:59
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I have both ps3 and 360 but all this crap about the dvd9 DL the can hold up to 30GB if you think thats so practicle why have they not use this and how come I keep buying games with multiple disc's on my 360, why didn't they compress the data so I wouldent have to deal with changing discs. Don't get me wrong I love my 360 but stop being fanboys if you want to play MGS4 just get a ps3 play it now and enjoy it, MGS4 is one of the best games I ever played shouldn't miss out on it just to stick to one company who doesent give you money to play there games but you pay them so buy a ps3 buy a 360 and enjoy great gaming with Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2 and countless more titles coming up no one should miss out on any of this games. Let the companies worry about competition, you just stick to playing.
Josh 17 Jul 2008 20:14
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Dave: Chill the f**k out. It's just a game. What does it matter if it goes multiplatform? You still got to play it. You and however many people bought it got to play it first (assuming it ever goes to xbox) and then a whole new group of people get to share the experience that you enjoyed so much. Do you own any part of the Sony company? Will you personally be hurt if the game is ported? Xbox owners getting to play MGS won't detract from your experience at all. I personally doubt it'll get ported, but I'll be happy if it does. I'm not the kind of guy who buys a game, loves it, and then doesn't tell any of my friends about it so that they'll never get to play it. MGS is a great series. More people should get to check it out without being penalized for which system they own.
Otizzo 17 Jul 2008 20:38
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I guess Microsoft can't come up with new games since all they do is trying to make PlayStation exclusives into multiplatform and I bet there gonna try to make God of War 3 multiplatform too. Xbox fanboys stay bragging that the 360 has a bigger library of games than PS3. It might be true but other than Halo 3 how many other games are worth spending 60 bucks on?
hasdas 17 Jul 2008 21:21
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f**k you spong.
let's be honest.
You CAN say either way.
On one hand, you have baseless rumours from Xbots saying MGS4 is going to 360 (and ridiculous sh!t like it's been in development since start of 07).
On the other hand you have Sony, Kojima and Konami all directly quoted saying MGS4 is impossible anywhere else, and is exclusive to PS3. Period.
You can say that MGS4 will never come to 360 with the data provided, but you won't.
You're filthy f**king fanboys.
let's be honest.
You CAN say either way.
On one hand, you have baseless rumours from Xbots saying MGS4 is going to 360 (and ridiculous sh!t like it's been in development since start of 07).
On the other hand you have Sony, Kojima and Konami all directly quoted saying MGS4 is impossible anywhere else, and is exclusive to PS3. Period.
You can say that MGS4 will never come to 360 with the data provided, but you won't.
You're filthy f**king fanboys.
Chris 18 Jul 2008 00:50
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not gonna happen trust me bc i am not a fanboy but its confirmed a 1,000,000 times
David 18 Jul 2008 01:49
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To: Josh
Im sorry i acted all nervous and stuff, i would love to see people enjoy MGS4, its just people need to get Facts before they post on forums.
Idiots are everywhere and thats they only thing that spiol the internet, oh and i only own a PS3 and waiting for something worth it to get either a 360 or a Wii.
Im sorry i acted all nervous and stuff, i would love to see people enjoy MGS4, its just people need to get Facts before they post on forums.
Idiots are everywhere and thats they only thing that spiol the internet, oh and i only own a PS3 and waiting for something worth it to get either a 360 or a Wii.
360nerds 18 Jul 2008 07:54
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Will you f**king gay ass 360 fanboys stop this stupid f**king nonsense already. it is not coming to your f**king garbage welfare system, go cry about this on your RROD sites and leave it off n4g you cocksucking losers.
Scott 18 Jul 2008 09:30
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It will never come to the 360 for several reasons.
1) There are so many comments in the story about how great the playstation is, that it will all have to be altered.
2) The ammount of apple products in the game will surely piss microsoft off
3) The game filled a bluray disc. You're talking about a disc per act and thats without any extras.
4) The game would have to be started from scratch and almost everything would have to be reworked. If the game had started development, surely all the playstation love would have been left out the final game?
1) There are so many comments in the story about how great the playstation is, that it will all have to be altered.
2) The ammount of apple products in the game will surely piss microsoft off
3) The game filled a bluray disc. You're talking about a disc per act and thats without any extras.
4) The game would have to be started from scratch and almost everything would have to be reworked. If the game had started development, surely all the playstation love would have been left out the final game?
schnide 18 Jul 2008 09:55
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I am an atheist. But dear sweet Lord, baby Jesus in heaven, forgive me for joining in on this thread. I also have a far greater preference for Sony over Microsoft, but let's face facts.
That would not be very hard.
Then you remove the Apple products. That would also not be very hard.
Then you supply it on multiple discs, with the option to HD install.
Why would it have to be started from scratch? Are you really that naive (or that knowledgeable about the development of the game) to suggest they don't have any kind of conversion tools to do the lion's share of development that's already been done?
The game is either coming to the 360, or it's not coming to the 360, dependent on factors well beyond the control of people in this thread. No amount of anonymous posters calling people cocksuckers (etc), saying why the PS3 pwns j00 or explaining how the 360 sucks ass is going to change the fact that the game might come to Microsoft's console, or it might not.
Wait and see and move on with your lives, this is not worth losing sleep over.
Scott wrote:
1) There are so many comments in the story about how great the playstation is, that it will all have to be altered.
That would not be very hard.
Scott wrote:
2) The ammount of apple products in the game will surely piss microsoft off
Then you remove the Apple products. That would also not be very hard.
Scott wrote:
3) The game filled a bluray disc. You're talking about a disc per act and thats without any extras.
Then you supply it on multiple discs, with the option to HD install.
Scott wrote:
4) The game would have to be started from scratch and almost everything would have to be reworked. If the game had started development, surely all the playstation love would have been left out the final game?
Why would it have to be started from scratch? Are you really that naive (or that knowledgeable about the development of the game) to suggest they don't have any kind of conversion tools to do the lion's share of development that's already been done?
The game is either coming to the 360, or it's not coming to the 360, dependent on factors well beyond the control of people in this thread. No amount of anonymous posters calling people cocksuckers (etc), saying why the PS3 pwns j00 or explaining how the 360 sucks ass is going to change the fact that the game might come to Microsoft's console, or it might not.
Wait and see and move on with your lives, this is not worth losing sleep over.
Snake Killer 18 Jul 2008 10:00
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I dont see whats so good about metal gear solid I think that it can be worse than Two Worlds at some points in the game.
PreciousRoi 18 Jul 2008 10:59
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w0rd.
Its not impossible, its not even that difficult, if they want to do it. Wether they will or no is the rub.
One caveat, there is no hdd install on the 360.
I mostly kept away from this thread on account of it being mostly anon, unaccountable fanboy spoutings on both sides...that and I could truly care less. There are at least 5 other PS3 "exclusives of the moment" that I'd rather see on 360, Sony can keep Final Fantasy as well, I dun want it.
Its not impossible, its not even that difficult, if they want to do it. Wether they will or no is the rub.
One caveat, there is no hdd install on the 360.
I mostly kept away from this thread on account of it being mostly anon, unaccountable fanboy spoutings on both sides...that and I could truly care less. There are at least 5 other PS3 "exclusives of the moment" that I'd rather see on 360, Sony can keep Final Fantasy as well, I dun want it.
TimSpong 18 Jul 2008 11:06
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PreciousRoi wrote:
I mostly kept away from this thread on account of it being mostly anon, unaccountable fanboy spoutings on both sides...that and I could truly care less.
I have been observing it from on-high (I have flu and I am high on Lemsip and Ginger). It's fascinating to see a SPOnG Forum thread being taken over in this way.
Atchoooooo!
Tim
PreciousRoi 18 Jul 2008 11:16
40/45
And somehow its your (SPOnG's) fault for not denying this unequivocally...
*pokes yer inbox with a pointéd stick
*pokes yer inbox with a pointéd stick
schnide 18 Jul 2008 14:26
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PreciousRoi wrote:
One caveat, there is no hdd install on the 360.
I was under the impression this will be an option in the coming months, if I've been reading the right sites..
PEDANTS OF THE WORLD UNITE! Except you, Roi.
PreciousRoi 18 Jul 2008 22:39
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Haven't heard anything about that myself...actually I think I do remember seeing something denying that possibility, as it would create a serious have/have not sitch vis-a-vis the Core/Arcade SKU's lack of a hdd.
listen 19 Jul 2008 05:20
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Otizzo wrote:
I guess Microsoft can't come up with new games since all they do is trying to make PlayStation exclusives into multiplatform and I bet there gonna try to make God of War 3 multiplatform too. Xbox fanboys stay bragging that the 360 has a bigger library of games than PS3. It might be true but other than Halo 3 how many other games are worth spending 60 bucks on?
God of War is a Sony title just like you wont see halo on ps3 you wont see God of War sony owns the rights its a first party title not a third.
p 20 Jul 2008 13:17
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All this fanboy drivelling, and not a sniff of SS4 or Bentley?
I’m sure once they get back from their holiday together, they’ll put their tuppence into the pot.
I’m sure once they get back from their holiday together, they’ll put their tuppence into the pot.
Baidizzle 18 Feb 2009 19:27
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Okay first off all the clues about MGS4 staying on the PS3 are true....
1) Otacon talking about blu-ray and the Ps3
2) Apple stuff EVERY WHERE ( Ipod, computers, etc..)
3) The ps3 remote controling the MK.II.
Oh yea I forgot what kinda of laptop does Otacon use during the end of the game?.....an Apple laptop
also what is sitting on the table in the plane where Otacon and sunny ride in??.......a PS3 and a SONY BRAVIA T.V. There are also SONY ERICSSON cell phones all over the game.
If that is not enough proof i don't know what is. So stop you yappin and face the facts. It is staying on the PS3 and that is that.
1) Otacon talking about blu-ray and the Ps3
2) Apple stuff EVERY WHERE ( Ipod, computers, etc..)
3) The ps3 remote controling the MK.II.
Oh yea I forgot what kinda of laptop does Otacon use during the end of the game?.....an Apple laptop
also what is sitting on the table in the plane where Otacon and sunny ride in??.......a PS3 and a SONY BRAVIA T.V. There are also SONY ERICSSON cell phones all over the game.
If that is not enough proof i don't know what is. So stop you yappin and face the facts. It is staying on the PS3 and that is that.