Confirmed: PlayStation 3 GTA IV Bundle

360 premium and gta 4 for £200 on play.com comes with everything you need for HD gaming and a headset, 1 month gold live and a hard drive.

Too little too late for sony on this one.

It's not a killer deal (though its good), theres no dual shock 3 (so its oudated), theres no DLC (so your missing out on opportunites to get fleeced by microsoft).

But most importantly, THERES NO MARKETING

After 2 weeks of GTA4 hype from microsoft that have me all but convinced that it's a Microsoft First Party Exclusive Title (tm) i'm not likely to suddenly have a change of heart midnight next Tuesday and go for this shoddy deal.

Give me an 80gb or 120gb PS3 with 1 or 2 Dual Shock 3's (you know, the proper ones) with backwards compatibility-ish and the limited edition and artwork on the ps3... maybe, and i'm very interested. I know the HD is a bit of a non-issue but it would go some way to easing the price difference to elsewhere.

Wait for the MGS pack, box art I saw suggested it'll come with the DualShock.

soo .. that's all you need for one month of online gaming.

and you still wont get haze, mgs, home or hd movies - and don't tell me you could download movies onto rubbish 20gb hdd

sometimes paying bottom dollar aint the best choise

No, you'll just have the best lineup of games currently availible, the best controller availible, the best online service availible bar none.

Save the fanboyism, Mr. anonymous...its not impressing anyone here.

The only thing you've even mentioned thats an actual reality in the here and now is the HD movies...and HD movies, while pretty, aren't games.

As for Home, if it ever happens, big freaking deal, I'll miss Haze sure, but Home...frankly I could care less...and I'm sure most 'core' gamers would agree with me there.

Sometimes keeping yer yap shut is the best choice...

Largest lineup, sure, but best is subjective. Best controller is also subjective. Best online service is a fact. 33% facts and 66% opinion expressed as fact is still on the side of the fanboy.

Not that the post you were replying to wasn't fanboy-esque of course, but fighting fire with fire usually just makes more fire.


Indeed.

Sorry, I'm gonna have to stand by my assertion that the 360 has the best lineup of games at the moment. Its not just larger, its better. But I will concede that this one could be seen as subjective...however, it isn't really...if someone has to have the best lineup of games then its gotta be the 360, subjective it may be, you can't justify nominating either of the other consoles.

As for the controller, once again, better...the proof being the current PS3 controllers imminent demise, were the DualShock current, I'd concede this one as subjective as well, but it isn't, so I don't.

Now, I have before and will again go on record as saying the PS3's future looks brighter than it has...but in the here and now its at a disadvantage.

Plus, better me being the one dabbling in partisan rhetoric than allowing some anon to goad SS4 into it after a quite restrained statement of fact (albeit slightly propagandist) on his part.

As for your attempted definition of fanboyism as the expressing of opinions as facts, I'd refer you back to my proposed definition...its somewhere in the archives...a fanboy takes all this personally and gets emotionally involved in it to the exclusion of rationality.

What I want to know is, should I buy GTA IV for 360 and enjoy the option of DLC or get the ps3 version for free online play (I hardly ever bother with gold subs) and prehaps slightly nicer graphics? Can anyone think of a good reason to jump either way?

Will you make your mind up? :-) Either "better" is subjective in this case or it's not.

The relative merit of a game is certainly subjective, I bet there are even people who liked Jericho. Well, maybe not, but you get my point.

If we want to try to be as objective as possible, then, for example, MetaCritic's aggregated scores for the PS3 and 360 show library averages of 71.24% for the PS3 and 68.70% for the 360. For comparison, the Wii's library has an average rating of 61.62%.

Sure the 360 has 91 games with scores on 80% or above and the PS3 only has 48, but as a percentage of the library total, that's 24% to the 360 and 31% to the PS3.

Note: I only used MetaCritic's scores where 5 or more reviews had been aggregated. Hopefully this slightly mitigates fanboyism in the reviews themselves.

As objectively as we can approach these things, the 360 has a larger, but lower average quality library of games than the PS3.

Of course, that in no way means that everybody has to buy a PS3 and ditch the 360, there are loads of great games on the 360, tastes vary and so may your mileage.

What it does mean is that saying the 360 has a better library of games than the PS3 is stating opinion as fact. The same holds true for the reverse of course.


Once again, we come to a very subjective area. I personally don't like the 360 controler's shape, you love it. We've had this discussion before and agreed to disagree (I think).

The fact that Sony are bettering their controller by adding back rumble in no way precludes the possibility that the Sixaxis is better than the 360 pad to start with.

The fact that the Sixaxis has no rumble could be countered by the fact that the 360 pad has no motion sensing. Once again, it comes down to a subjective analysis of which feature is "better", balanced by the preference for controller shape, the fact that the Sixaxis is rechargeable by default, but you have to buy a recharge pack for the 360 controller, etc, etc, etc. Subjective.

Once again stating either as better is stating opinion as fact.


I didn't present my %age scale of facts as opinion versus actual facts to be the definitive representation of a fanboy. I very much like your definition, but I think it also needs to include the rabid approach to arguments, dismissal of facts and repetition of closely-held memes to "prove" a point.

All I was trying to point out was that you were stating opinions as facts for 2/3rds of your rebuttal which lessened the impact of the insult you applied to the anon poster by calling him/her a fanboy.

Like I said, fighting fire with fire doesn't work often, try using water. :-)