Manhunt 2 Petition on Prime Minister’s Website

Whereas I may not agree with some or all of the violent content of this game, having not seen it for myself, I feel even stronger against censorship.

While banning will undoubtedly please certain knee-jerk reactionists in the media and the political sphere, all that this ban will achieve is the exact opposite of it's intended result. As happened to often before in such circumstances rather than simply "disappearing" the game will achieve a cult status and will encourage even more people to get hold of it and play it.

Also, as a capable human being I treat others as such and expect to treated likewise in return - hence I object to censorship on principle.

Therefore I agree with the text of the petition: "Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions with regard to what videogames they want to play. We all understand that this game is extremely violent and unsuitable for children. As such an 18 rating should have been applied."

I am aware that once the game is available, even with an 18 rating, younger players may still be able to get hold of it. However, to deal with aspects of what individuals or society may find unplesasant, questionable or outright despicable is not by banning it, but by education.

Banning is not education. Though a ban may be easier to do than a more time and resourse intensive process of education is no substitute for teaching why it is wrong to solve any problems with violence or even simply the enjoyment of violence.

I really hope this isn't the start of a huge crack down on so called "violent games" but I still don't understand why MH2 has been picked from the bunch?, I mean have u seen the Darkness!?. haha, it should be up to them to appropriately certify products & then enforce that certification!, not just ban it because that easier & quicker.

BAN ALL EVIL FILTH!

Yeah Holly, I've seen it. This again I think goes back to the taking the violence out of context bit, as games like these do follow a storyline, and since both Manhunt 2 and The Darkness have them, I don't see how the BBFC can decide between them. And like Rolf said, bans never do any good.

Still, I'll do the petition thing.

On closer inspection of this game..... i begin (only begin) to see where they are coming from.....sort of?....its not so much the content , but how the game is playd with the Wii mote.
were as on the xbox u'd press A to strike with a knife, on the wii you'd thrust the wii mote inwards & slash upwards... that were i think they saw a problem, your the one who makes the killing motions. Just playing devil advocate....

No, the BBFC banned both PS2 and Wii versions... though strangely no mention of the PSP version (will that somehow slip through the net?!?)

Even so, I do believe that this whole sorry episode bodes really badly for the future of adult-themed games on Nintendo consoles.

I'm sorry but you have to out this thing into perspective - there are stupid people out there who have not had a particularly good upbringing, children in particular who may be influenced by this material...children are very impressionable - I bet that alot, though not all I admit, of you who object to this ruling do not have kids.
Don't be stupid - leave the damn game alone and buy brain training on the DS.

You know, there are a load of kids out there that want to drink, smoke and drive cars. So we should ban all three of them, because parents can't be trusted to keep them out of their kids' hands?

Also we should ban porn flicks, skin mags, chick-lit novels, 18-rated movies, 15-rated DVDs, page 3 models, reality TV, action comics, TV news that shows violence, newspapers, bad news in general and hey, why not just ban the hell out of free will too? In fact, has anybody seen Equilibrium? That looks like a great place to live!

Those of you who agree to this ruling that have kids are not paying enough attention to them and want a surrogate child minder.

Those of you who agree with it and don't have kids, what the hell are you thinking?

why dont we ban people who try to ban things, hold on that means we would ban ourselfs by banning those who are banning so we couldnt ban those who are banning and they can still ban but....

im confused

just like tony blair and all these so called do gooders who are looking out for our intrests, funny mr blair but didnt you have something to do with the voilence and murder of thousands of lives in the middle east countries??? funny how that petition to bring our soilders home never went anywhere.

Lets be honest. Having had this game banned, we want it more. According to the non gamer types i should be killing zombies, stealing cars, jumping on turtles, eating mushrooms, chasing ghosts, doing ace serves, sawing wood, hula hooping, dancing, scoring winning goals in the FA cup final and racing at full speed.

Seriously, if we're banning this because ALLEDGEDLY a kid died from its result, why not ban Forza 2 for glamorising fast driving. After all, PLENTY more people die from reckless driving than murder.

And why aren't they banning bioshock? After all, you have the choice to kill a child!

Sod it all, an 18 sticker should mean 18. And parents should get off their ass and start being parents. I was never allowed to see these sort of things when i was young. I came into them at the right time and grew up as a reasoned human being. Who are these kids that play GTA on the bus to school on the PSP?!!!

Now, let me have my manhunt 2. I wanna make those characters meet my friend, PAIN!!! (Mr T)

All too true. By the rule of Sonic the Hedgehog, I should be a gold ring stealing klepto by now.

so its ok to own a gun at 16 in the uk, but not a fictional video game that portrays violence, funny it reminds me of political correctness and its very contradictive, either way the decision is final which in simple terms is ridiculous.

Isn't it just so affirming that attempts to get gamers taken seriously result in a petition such as this to the PM?

Then some tw@t calling itself "Killbot v2" signs the flipping thing... three steps forward, four steps back...

Cheers

Tim

What's the url?

It's in the story, which can be found here

agen its total crap if the prime minister bans this hes no better than tony blair sucking up to bush going to war u know bets millions off peoaple beleve me and its that mothers fault for letting some 1 that young play a 18+ game and its roackstars fault i think not they made the game for adults and adults only a resposable parent would at least watch there child while playin such a game jeez this new game i thik 18+ have id no prob yeah but adults buying a game for some 1 else should be asked quetions bout kids aka 13 year olds and under it aint rockstars fault its the partent for being so iresponable im going to be a dad myself soon but i woodnt let this happen listen to me coause millions off people will agree with me

im in my 50s and i still think this is shocking ive got a son at 18 years old wanting the game and sayin what a waste off time to rock star if it just going to get banned like that it aint fair they should at least give it a trail and see what happens the utter c**ts the bbfc have no idea what it is like to be 18 19 or 20 coause there probalby all 50 60 odds hey im old but still i have say get a grip and get over it

I am only 18 years of age, and already I have been exposed to some pretty f**ked up things in the world of cinema.

One only needs to look as far as the SAW series, Specifically SAW 2, where in the very first scene, the man has to cut open and remove his own eye so that he can escape the trap.
And in Hostel 1, when the man is melting the womans face with a blowtorch, just for kicks.

I was browsing the ratings recently made by the BBFC, and most of the 18 rated games and films where rated as such because of Strong graphic violence which is nothing more than Manhunt 2 has.

If you played the original Manhunt, then you will be aware that the game enviroment is one of "Kill of be killed". In other Rockstar games such as the Grand Theft Auto series, it is not necessary to kill, people get the choice whether or not to do so. More people in Britain have the choice to kill someone, and anyone (If any) are in a kill or be killed situation, then likely they wont have played Manhunt, as they wouldnt have a games console.

So what will influence someone more? Giving them the choice to kill in a open world enviroment, or putting their character in a live or die situation, which we rarely see in modern society?

I am against cencorship, as countires like the United Kingdom and America are founded on Free Speech. So why is it when the creators of SAW, Hostel, hell, even Trainspotting are allowed to produce works of art which can influence people, Rockstar are penalized?

I have emailed the BBFC asking them this, and am awaiting a response. I cant wait.

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