BBFC On Manhunt 2 Ban: Rockstar To Appeal?

bad news! there are a lot worse films out. People are just dumb(i wasnt gonna get manhunt but the choice being taken away is a joke)

Rock* must be rubbing their hands (secretly) everyone knows banning anything makes people want it more & gives them instant cult status, look back & the old horror films, evil dead, chainsaw massacre, the exorcist, those films were huge!. this is just what Rockstar want & I'm sooo glad they are doing it on the Wii, someone desperately needed to give its ohh so clean cut, family loving, cutesy Mario imagine some filth & dirt, because 4 me Nintendo's imagine is really boring.

another game that i am going to have to import so pay a f**king lot for i wish we did not live in a big brother world and i have the right to be able to choose whether I'm going to play games were it might be ab it gory I'm not going to get nightmares and I'm not going to play a game and then re-an act it

How do you know it's a crap game, have you played it? How can you judge it if you haven't?

Even so, are we not allowed to make up our own minds as adults any more?

If this ban continues then I'll happily import it to support Rockstar against the nanny state.

I have seen extended demos of the game and I am in total agreement with the BBFC. It shouldn't be allowed to be sold to anybody. And, unlike you may imagine, I am not a Daily Mail reading 'ban these evil games' type but a hardcore gamer and childless thirty-something male and usually consider myself to be very liberal on such matters.

Rockstar will inevitably have the ban overturned in time - gaining acres of free publicity as they do so - and this s**t game will eventually find its way into stores, so don't worry too much... But I'd advise you to not buy it, not only becuase the constant gratuitous violence tends to grate, but mainly because as a game it is incredibly dull.

Sorry to be the one to point this out to you but the BBFC is one of the more liberal censorship body (well for films it is) so if you wont to import Manhunt 2 (like me as I really wont to play this game) chances are if the BBFC wont let it pass the ESRB will problem not pass the game. Which leaves the only option for importing as Japan or importing a different language game and I don’t fancy trying to play the game in Japanese or French. So if the appeal is unsuccessful it is very unlikely we will get to play this game.

Yup, that's telling them in a language that certainly will convince the buggers that us gamers can make mature decisions and don't need nannying.



Yeah, the police are cool. We should listen to the police! Yeah! We're rebels who listen to the police! Yeah!

I'm assuming - that you mean, "Grieving bitch" - nice. Sure, if (and god forbid you ever actually breed) your child is murdered you'll certainly take the rational approach and not look to blame anybody at all. I mean, everybody does. And yeah! 'Griving' is like soooo lame and, like, makes you a bitch! Yeah... listen to the police!



Yup, that's the kind of gamer input that really ensures that the BBFC, The Daily Mail and Keith Vaz and Mr Thompson have no leg to stand on when seeking popular support for banning games - and their contention that gaming turns us all into mindless thugs with no grasp on the reality to social interaction - yeah, f**k that too, f**kers! What would the police say! Ask Sting! Yeah!

"Your honour, I would like to quote a Mr Darkstar Orion in his defence of gamers choice. I think he put it most cogently when he said, "F**k the BBFC! Listen to the police! F**k you all and f**k all grieving mothers!"

Nice one.

I should have rephrased my question, have you played the full game from start to end? You can't judge a game on a demo properly. Sometimes the full game is actually better and irons out its problems. Come back and moan when you've played the full game, son.

Besides, we'll never get the chance to judge for ourselves by buying and playing it fully if this crap stays in place. I too am of a similar demographic to you, but I'd like the choice to say 'no, I don't want to buy that', instead of having it taken from me and never knowing.

I'm betting the BBFC made this decision without looking at the context of the storyline (which games have now, BBFC), which seems to be en vogue these days. I'd need evidence from them to really believe that this game deserves a ban. They have a website, so perhaps when ever they ban something, they should be prepared to present the evidence to the public as to why.

Ditto to you Joji ;).

The only people who have played the game through are, wait, the BBFC!



They probably played the game through and made an informed decision.

Crap or not, it is an artistic medium that developers have clearly spent a lot of time on, and something they are proud of. It's the developers, artists if you will, who are the ones losing out here, knowing that their hard work cannot be appreciated by those interested as it is deemed unsuitable. What is suitable these days? We are in too much of a liberal world now to even think about reverting to a sheltered society.

I'd certainly be a mighty bit ticked off if something I had spent hour upon hour, with no doubt endless crunches developing, even adapting to new formats such as the Wii control system, never got to see the light of day in some places.

But then, hasn't this existed as long as art itself?

Your normally quite a good poster but I completly disagree with you here. The BBFC is probably the best rating board in the world and they are very liberal. Its show your compete ignorence of how the BBFC work, all there decisions are based on the context in which the violence is presented.

And the BBFC did state why they didn't give the game a rating:






So if someone decided to make a game where you stalked little kids and then molested them you'd be cool with that cos you an adult and its upto you to make a choice about whether you want to buy it ot not?

I know you not going to agree with that and so you must agree that there is some cases where games/videos/media should be band from public sale? So we need something like the BBFC and their rules in place to monitor what goes on public sale.

The game has only been banned from public sale in the UK, your free to go import it if you want.

Okay, if they've played the game start to end, I'd like to see the evidence of that to back their decision. Surely they can at least supply that, are some of you saying that's too much to ask for? Course it isn't.

Did they play it fully start to end, that is the question (as well as the one above).

In reply to you King, I know I'm a good poster but this isn't about that. By the way, it is interesting that you cherry pick from my post while missing other points made but you haven't touch upon. This does you a disservice.

What you posted on your last post was a statement by the BBFC. Frankly that isn't good enough evidence when concerning this kind of thing. How the hell can they know what it offers to the player, only the player would know and communicate that? That statement makes me ask more questions. If they can present something solid to back their decision up then fine, ban it. I bet you believed the WMD thing too didn't you? Always ask questions to those in authority, King.

I wouldn't buy a game like what you suggest because 1: no one would have the guile and money to make it, 2: I wouldn't be interested it and 3: that's a crap and unsavoury subject (that's a crap comparison too). Perhaps something of a similar vein to manhunt might be better, you decide and choose.

Manhunt on the other hand I was gonna purchase, because what I'd read about it online and in mags like Edge had me interested. Sure, I'll import it, but the fact of the matter is I shouldn't have to.

Open your eyes my friend and listen and look at the media coverage of this whole thing, Could you say that it's fair coverage or biased towards games once again? Could you fairly say that Saw 1-3 and Hostel deserve to be on DVD rental and purchase, but Manhunt doesn't? Answer these questions and (and those above) get back to me. I'd like to know if they played the game fully (start to end) or not. To you it sounds like I'm asking too much for more information or something.

The thing I have a problem with, the storyline to this Manhunt game sounds more "reasonable" than the original Manhunt.

Manhunt 1: You're a comdemned prisoner (so you're already a killer) who has been secreted out of prison, on behalf of a cabal of wealthy voyuers, and dumped in a derelict city. Alongside you are other comdemned prisoners and you're facing numerous bloodthirsty gangs and corrupt police; your goal is to escape the city/last man standing, all the while being observed by the members of the cabal.

Manhunt 2: You're a research scientist who has been investigating behaviour modification, when you and your colleague discovered it was being used by "The Project" to create killers, you attempted to reveal your research to the press. Six years later, you "wake up" from a drug induced fugue to discover you're being held in an asylum which is a front for the Project, barely able to remember your own name. The place is wrecked after some of the experimental subjects rioted, your colleague is beside you and you realise you both have to escape. In your way are the psychotic, psychopathic, murderous subjects; on your tail are a gang of mercenaries who have one mission, to stop you any way that they can.

Now, I don't know about you, but from a moral standpoint, you have a greater justification for your actions in Manhunt 2 than you do in Manhunt; what does everyone else think?

Bolloxs just wrote this once and lost it :(



I was in a rush to get home from work and I only pick out the bits I didn't agree with.



Thanks for the back handed insults. But instead of asking questions all the time why don't you look up some information?

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Like the Super Furry's said: We are not here to tell you what to think



I never asked if you'd buy it, I asked if you thought I would be OK to sell such a game to the public. I was trying to stress the point that some things are not acceptable for public sale and the BBFC job was a necessary evil. Maybe I didn't get my point across very well and it wasn't supposed to be a comparison it was an analogy.



I never once in my post said I agreed with the decision. I just disagreed with your sentiment and the whole I'm and adult I should be able to watch whatever I like attitude.

And no haven't seen any other coverage cos I've been in work. I've only seen a few coments by Vaz and some other people and they where bound to twist the situation to their own ends, its just the way of the world.

Yeah Yen, and that's why I wanted to play it. But to the BBFC statement it sounds like they think this storyline doesn't matter much (just wallpaper and its the same game), when in truth to the gamer, it's why they are playing and what keeps them playing, to see if they can get out of false imprisonment alive.

Under an 18 banner, what you do to get out of that prison is all in the context of telling a psychological horror adult story. That's such a shame because such light focus wouldn't be done to a film in comparison (even though horror films are pretty strong these days). I don't think this is fair.

Yes Mr King, a better comparison would be Scarface and The Godfather (especially on Wii) to use in Rockstar's defence. How is it that these get released and Manhunt 2 doesn't? This is clearly a case of bad biased double standards. Are they not just as if not more violent?

I hope Rockstar will make an appeal to the courts to put right this terrible misjudging by the BBFC. The BBFC needs to consider what it's purpose is in preventing this game from being released-it is an entertainment product for adults, protected by laws that prevent it from being sold to minors. In this country where a youth of 16 can buy a knife, an offensive weapon, I consider it farcical that adults, who should have freedom of choice, should not be allowed to buy a computer game while we let kids buy knifes. Perhaps we've got our priorities mixed up here?

As I say, I hope Rockstar will appeal this ruling. I mean, we must question, since when did the BBFC become the British Board of Fascism and Censorship?

I find the backlash against the BBFC interesting. If you look at censorship laws in the UK we have one of the most tolerant board of sensors in the world. In fact I have seen some of the films that have been cut in the past few years, pre and post censorship and agree with most of their decisions. They normally only cut scenes of gratuitous sexual violence. As we all become desensitised to violence to a greater and greater extend where will it end. What was extreme yesterday, becomes mainstream today. We need to draw a line somewhere.