Metal Gear Solid 4: Full Official PS3 TGS Trailer Right Here - New Screens and Art

Damn, and me at work on a vid-less PC (WMP crashes for some reason...). I'd have love to have seen this, just to see what it looked like - and if it was possible that Killzone 2 vid was real.

Still, I'm going 360 and Rev next gen. Barring Tourist Trophy the Playstation brand hasn't interested me now for a year...

The MGS trailer made me feel much better about that KillZone video from E3. The MGS video looked to be slightly lower quality and much smaller scenes than KZ.

If the quality and scene complexity can be upped enough with the final hardware then the KZ video is perfectly possible. At least in a scripted setting.

Considering that Konami's is acting like Sony's new biatch and considering that Hideo Kojima is nothing more then a promotional vehicle for this game (who ever thinks that he's actually working on this game must be awfully laughed at, Konami forced him to be one of the producers so they can stick his name on it, his assistent is actually really the driving force behind MGS4) his statements are very empty for me.

Sony used this tactic before and half the gamingpress fell for it AGAIN with the Killzone2 movie at E3. I'm not convinced untill i see it running on a NORMAL tv (not one of those HD ones because no way in hell i can afford one and i don't want my next-gen game have the framerate of the average N64/PsOne game) with someone playing the game.

If this guy was Shinji Mikami i would have believed him in a instant. Kojima has the air of a artist that sold himself out, out of fear of losing his job.

According to GameSpot the trailer was real time.

Series director Hideo Kojima and artist Yoji Shinkawa showed a real-time demo of the trailer at Konami's booth at TGS, pausing the action, zooming in and showing details not in the trailer.

Graphically at least, I'm feeling quite good about PS3. Now what we want are some good games!

[Edit] - Looks like the trailer has been pulled. The link in the news story doesn't work and I can't get to it from Konami's website either.

Right, so it's legit, then it's very impressive indeed, the second next-gen game that actually looks next-gen by my personal judgement. I just hope they can keep the plastic look limited. Nothing more hateable then a realistic game with plastic puppets who even move that way (Ghost recon 3 had that big time).

Can't give you a link since it was a mag (biggest one in my country) and it stated that the KZ movie wasn't even made by Geurilla but by some CG-company.

Comes the question, how much of a game is this new MGS4 and how much a movie with limited interactivity?

To me, this just smacks of more Sony deception and marketing attempts to convince people that the playstation is the answer to life, the universe and everything. I've read a lot about this supposed "real-time" demo, and have read nothing to indicate that this is anything but a graphical tech demo. Even though it may very well be running in real time on real hardware, there is much more to a game than the rendering of graphics. Game logic, physics, AI are but a few processes which compete for processor time. I'm willing to bet that this demo would have used most of the power of the machine just to impress people with this facade of pretty pictures, whereas the final product will not and could not possibly match this level of graphical output once this tech demo becomes a real game. Sony are masters of deception, as proven by their claims in the last generation. Don't be taken in by their sleight of hand.

No it's a pretty demo by Konami designed to get people excited about MGS4 and, indirectly, about PS3.


The line between graphical tech demo and game is a fine one. The game engine has to be there, the graphical system has to be there, in some cases the physics and AI are there too.

Of course this was a graphical tech demo, it wasn't running on final hardware, it had to be a demo. The question is, does it represent what is possible from the final hardware?


True, but 90% of the graphics are handled by the GPU these days. Game logic, physics, AI, controller interpretation, etc. are all handled by the CPU.

The final GPU isn't finished yet and will probably be more powerful than the one used in the demo. The graphical quality, at worst, will stay the same, it will more probably go up.


Exactly which claims are you thinking of here? And don't say the "rendering Toy Story in real time" one.

The "Toy Story" claim is one I have tried to research on and off for the last year or so and the best reference I can come up with is this story on the GIA where Nihon Keizai Shimbun (a Japanese newspaper) is quoted as saying the following;


This is attributed to the newspaper, not directly to a Sony official.

As for the Sony tech demos that were shown at the before the PS2 was released, I think recent games like GT4 and God of War have met and possibly exceeded the quality of those images.

Just to remind you what they actually looked like, here is IGN's PS2 demo image page - not so hot looking now.

Well the vid looked great inmy book for the game I expect to be behind all those pretty graphics.

I know Konami have been sitting in Sony's lap with this series for too long now, when it could have reached a wide audience.

I'd buy MGS games because they are good with interesting storyline at the heart of them and in a similar way to my favourite Capcom series RE aka Biohazard, the story is what brings me back for more. MGS4 will do the same.

Okay, where's that Snatcher sequel, Konami?