PSP Redesign Rumours: Sleeker, Folding Screen, Soon

Media Create publicly publish hardware sales figures and top 10 software sales figures weekly for the Japanese territory. However Chart Track and NPD don't publicly publish sales figures, software or hardware on a weekly basis for the UK or US.

If you are seeing those figures posted to forums, then the posters have got access to subscription figures and are posting them, probably in violation of their subscription license.

Again, no facts all talk.

And since the PSP HAS been losing money (which is the only info we BOTH know is correct) it's up to YOU to prove that this isn't the case ANYMORE. You're the one arguing that the situation has changed since the last confirmed info we got. Your point to prove. THAT'S the way it works.

So now basically all your arguments are bundled into: PSP sells software in the UK. Bravo, so this is your irrefutable evidence the PSP is a success. ROFL. In case you haven't noticed:

World >>>>>>> EU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK

I know you Brits like to think otherwise, but alas, it is no other way. I could argue that Luxemburg has sold more Dreamcasts than PS2's in a crazy attempt to prove a point about Dreamcast being more (financially) successful than PS2. Well, no need to make fun of your logic any further, you get the point.

Oh, and by the way (i got this info by bribing members of the FBI):

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152695.html

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152712.html

Where are these PSP games you speak of? Enough with the bullcrap already.

(PS: look how bad X360 is selling in the US, it's humiliated by the PSP, a 12 month older system in software sales!! -Note the sarcasm-. But i'm sure UK software sales are-a-plenty to make up for Europe, Japan and the US, lol.)

Tsss, some people.

You would do well to READ what has been said. I'm no fanboy, i merely stated facts. I don't see how you come to the conclusion of "DoctorDee for the win" since he has yet to make a valid point to counter my statements.

I also never said the PSP sucks. I also never made a statement in a childish manner you would like to have people believe. In the contrary, i said it has a bright future ahead. I merely said it isn't selling SOFTWARE like it could RIGHT NOW, and that the unit is still sold at a loss and it isn't bringing Sony A LOT of profit AT THIS POINT. If you argue with that, fine, but it won't be me that is the fanboy.

PS: see how out-of-date the sales are in the links provided above.

PPS: Also, this would never have turned into yet another pointless debate of "ONOS PSP teh suk!" had Dee not blown it out of proportion, screaming bloody murder with zero facts backing up his nonsensical gibberish.

The facts were there, you just chose to ignore them.



You love your clichés, don't you? Rather than "scream bloody murder" I merely argued against your groundless evaluation of the PSP with facts. I don't know too much about what's happening in the USA, nor did I claim to... we're a UK site, and I only have access to EU and Japanese sales figures.

I am aware of where the UK stands in the global heirarchy... We're a signficant market, and representative of Europe generally.

You don't like the facts, so you resort to groundless accusation and insults. I'm off to Le Mans now to watch cars, you can argue amongst yourself.

Yes, the fact about PSP selling software in the UK. I noticed that interesting yet highly irrelevant little fact.

Where did you ever get the idea i was talking about only the UK??? Isn't it kind of logical that when Sony decides to update hardware (the initial point, remember?) it will NOT do so for just the UK, but rather look at how financially viable the project is, was and will be GLOBALLY? And whether or not the current system is performing well (financially) GLOBALLY?

Have fun at Le Mans. Buy some PSP games ;)

But not as irrelevant as sales in Belgium, eh?

It's official! PSP is playing second fiddle to DS. OMFG!!!! It must be doomed! SPOnG readership figures never lie. Here, from the last 28 days, you can see just how much a pounding it's taking;

27.48% Sony PlayStation 2
24.87% PC
08.53% Nintendo Game Boy Advance
07.85% Nintendo DS
07.20% Sony PlayStation Portable
05.74% Microsoft Xbox
05.19% Microsoft Xbox 360
04.06% Nintendo GameCube
02.43% Sony PlayStation
00.77% Sony PlayStation 3
00.75% Nintendo Game Boy Color
00.61% Commodore Amiga
00.60% Commodore C-64
00.52% Sega Megadrive
00.48% Nintendo Wii
00.46% Sega Dreamcast
00.42% Nintendo Super NES
00.32% Nintendo 64
00.28% Sega Master System
00.25% Arcade
00.25% Sinclair Spectrum 48K

lol,

no, not THAT irrelevant... but than again, i never claimed they were relevant. Unlike you did.

Could you please post where you got those figures, and what territorry they are from, or did you pull 'm out of your "arrière"? :)

Also funny how you obviously haven't read a word i said either. Isn't that a requirement to work for Spong nowadays? :)


EDIT: oh, Spong readers made that, ok. PS3 didn't launch to my knowledge. When you have some actual facts, please post. Or are the mods going to hide behind this rediculous "Ohme gOD! PsPz teh Suck" / fanboy/ bias argument without bringing anything to the table themselves?

This was supposed to be an EDIT in the previous post, but when i posted, time was up:

Nevermind. Obviously it's too hard to admit that PSP's software sales aren't exactly "on fire" GLOBALLY, meaning Sony's PSP profits aren't exactly "on fire" either, GLOBALLY. And if someone actually can prove this, or even just mentions this, that must clearly mean "Oh me goD, HeZ teh fanbOYzorz!!11!!!".

And if Dee was getting his figures from both Japanese and UK figures, i wonder if he actually bothered to take a look at Japanese software sales. So i hardly find my statements "unfounded/groundless", yet Dee's statements were rather mildly relevant. And on a sidenote, UK is NOT representative of European sales. In Europe Xbox beat GCN mildly, but in the UK GCN got shunned after 2 years. UK has always been more of a Sega-minded market (not Nintendo), as opposed to the rest of Europe. (Doesn't look like the UK really helped Sega claim that top spot, now did it?)

So, again, i don't have to repeat what i said in my first post in order for it to be true. It just is. Maybe the news hadn't penetrated the UK yet, and therefor i'm sorry to be the one that had to burst your bubble.

To add my note to sales numbers: only sales in Japan are know to the fullest (with a 70% accuracy), Europe is to fragmented to make any sense and generalising one area to whole Europe doesn't really work either (example, of the 6 million copies of Nintendogs sold in the world, half of those are sold in Europe and half of those In France alone... if we would generalise France as representative for Europe, Nintendo would have sold 6 million copies of Nintendogs in Europe alone!) and the US is stuck with the NPD who are pricks + Sony hides a lot of its numbers when it comes to the PSP.

What is known? When Sony said it SHIPPED 10 million PSP's, some people put the known sold numbers togheter, did some generalising and came to the conclusion that Sony had at that time only sold 6- 6.5 million PSP's, millions of PSP just sitting in stock collectiing dust. There is still strong believe that this is still going on, millions of PSP's just collecting dust and that number is getting bigger (some are even saying that Sony could be buying back its stock to boost salesnumbers).
Why think that? Because the hardware:game ratio in the VS is at 0.5... meaning, for every 2 PSP's shipped there's 1 PSP-game sold!! Or Sony is overshipping itself, or is lying about shipments.

The PSP sells good (second place overall, that can't be bad) but everyone has to remember it's being sold AT A LOSS! and the games aren't selling good enough to recoup that and the movies...well they sell even more pispoor. From a pure financial standpoint, yeah the PSP is teh Do0MeD!!!!!1111 whatever.

Oh yes, NPD has released numbers for May, peculiar comparison... the DS Lite sells in one week (in May) in Japan more then the Xbox360 in a month (May) in the VS (as a market probably twice as big as Japan)

... wow. You really care don't you? I mean, you really, really care. Bless. Fine, I'll respond to you seeings as you took my post about as wrongly as one could have taken it.

If you bothered to read my post in the first place, you'll notice I never referred to you as a fanboy. I never referred to anyone as a fanboy. Hell, I never mentioned anyone or intended to hint towards anyone in my post. My 'conclusion' as you put it was in fact a comment. If I had made any kind of conclusion, don't you think I'd have been a bit more concise about it? In fact, I completely tried to change the subject - you know, back on track. You seemed to have put paid to that though. Cheers.

Bear in mind you can have a go at Dee all you like, but you've not exactly been providing any facts whatsoever yourself. And I'm hardly taking sides here, I'm just a passive objective observer - at least, until you unnecessarily got me involved. :P

In conclusion my point, if you - as you clearly say - 'READ my post', was the futile point of arguing PSP's viability in the market. It's clearly doing better than Nintendo's past competition, and it's not exactly going down the hole. Yes, it is making a loss (which was SPOnG's entire argument anyway so arguing against them on that front was a waste of time wasn't it) but it's not exactly in trouble. It's only in real trouble when developers start pulling out and even Sony start being apathetic to its handheld. At this moment in time, Sony might be getting their asses handed to them in terms of sales (or not, I don't have the complete figures obviously), but Sony are still fighting for it with plenty of marketing (as bad as it is) and they still have plenty of dev support (no, UMD movie support doesn't count). So I'd say Sony isn't completely lost yet.

It seems most places I go to anything regarding PSP is met with how badly people talk about it. Now, the keen eyed amongst us would have noticed the fanboy "ONOS teh suk!" comment was in fact sarcasm. Funny, because when I saw you use sarcasm in your last posts there I was under the impression that someone outside Britain actually understood the concept. How wrong I was. :P


And it took you that long to be concise about it? You do know that yourself and Doctor Dee have been on pretty much the exact same side of the argument then?

Not getting involved anymore, said my bit, got accused for some reason, putting it right, sodding off now. I don't wish to be discussing this until my pension comes. (That was sarcasm, by the way ;))

EDIT: FYI I've got nothing against you ozfunghi. ^_- I just had to back myself up somewhat. XP Looks like the whole thing's been resolved somewhat anyway. ^^

How does it feel in the morning when you look at yourself in the mirror and realize you were arguing portable video game sales on the internet...

Let it be, who cares... buy both, play both, buy one, buy none. Sometimes you've just gotta sit down and play some SNES... enjoy it, in 100 years we will all be dead.

Holy smokes batman, the Amiga is still kicking? Damn, wish I hadn't let my dad get rid of it now.

Commodore FTW!

I'm loading up an old copy of Dungeon Master to make that percentage valid. HA! Screw you all!

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I posted figures with a little sideways comment up front, nothing more or less. Seems someone's got a flee their butt.


They are facts, you freekin' nutball!

SPOnG readers didn't "make" anything - they're actual figures based on readership of SPOnG game pages. It's a fair representation of our reader's interest/anticipation for each platform.

Of course, it's only a representation of interest, hence the irony-laden commentary - but you didn't get that, did you?

Speak for yourself, dude. I'm gonna live forevaaaarrr. Bawahahahaha.

Oh, and I never play SNES. Must be a defective gene, or perhaps the fact that the Amiga r00lorz.

Just readership, my man. Sadly, not sales. What I'd give for an OS that didn't need a CPU so large it burns up more fossil fuels than the average Humvee...

Even though my Amiga 500 went into matrix mode when I did the fearsome Atlantic Accelerator Mission I can't say that I've enjoyed any games playing device as much, although towards the end I guess I got my kicks out of AP more then the games (particularily slating Future whenever there was an opportunity and referring to Amiga action as "Michael Jackson", although I guess that was more to do with me having nothing to play and AP having nothing to write about) . I've tried using emulator software to recreate the fun, but having the attention span of a gnat gave up after a couple of hours and played Flashback instead.

Anyhoo, shame it was only readership.

Me neither. Though "Dyson in 'likes Amiga' shocker" is hardly news.



Me too. Though obviously, it was me they were kicking.