Xenon Images Emerge!

Dev-kit snapped.

Posted by Staff
A little known website going by the name of XboxLive.fr has nabbed a canny little scoop, getting a developer to take a few snaps of the Xbox 360 development kit Xenon.

As you can see, the kit is housed inside a Mac G5 case and, as with most development tools, looks really rather nice, competing with Sony?s PSTool in the coder beauty pageant held in our minds.

Carrying the full name AK1-00001: Xenon Alpha Mac Kit, we thought we?d share with you a glimpse of the box from which next-generation MGS titles will spring.

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DoctorDee 21 Apr 2005 13:38
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GeoffHoonMP wrote:
That would be a G5 - not a G4 enclosure.


You are correct. Stef is an idiot, unschooled in the ways of the Macintosh, or of using Google, or of writing things that are correct.

If you see him around, give him a chinese burn, and tell him it's from me.
Rod Todd 21 Apr 2005 13:43
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GeoffHoonMP wrote:
some evil JS rubbish, what's wrong with normal links...?


Wha the f**k is evil about JavaScript? Vast expanses of the Internet rely in it.

Go read a book. Computers are clearly too advanced for you.
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GeoffHoonMP 21 Apr 2005 13:52
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Mendez wrote:
lol. maybe it's to piss off ludite c**ts like you. lol


Thanks for calling me a c**t, I'm glad to see that the UK:R invasion had an effect on you spongers - but let me slightly correct your analogy:

Using f**king evilly custom-coded javascript hacks to open a link is not an improvement on the existing, and perfectly valid mechanism for loading new pages that _every_ other site on the web uses - in fact it's a retrograde step - because it causes bugs like:

1 - me having to refresh this page manually to get any new posts every time I visit it.

2 - not being able to open links and image links in new tabs.

I don't see these bugs in any other site on the web.

(please note - this is not a rant against JS - just against the context in which it is used on this site.)
GeoffHoonMP 21 Apr 2005 13:59
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Rod Todd wrote:
Wha the f**k is evil about JavaScript? Vast expanses of the Internet rely in it.

Go read a book. Computers are clearly too advanced for you.


vast exanses of the internet do not rely on JS - networks have seven layers - some applications that run on the web (which is at the application (top) layer of the net) use javascript.

Here's a book for you to read:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156205810X/002-0045772-3918419?v=glance
fluffstardx 21 Apr 2005 16:39
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JavaScript is not liked by my PC. True story. No idea why either. Hates Java, though.

There are too many Xbox 360/Xenon shots on the net. A friend of mine proclaimed proudly yesterday he'd seen the real one, and it'll be transparent with chrome-effect plastic. Seeing as ourcolony is supposed to be the site to give away the secrets, and that shows it all as white, I think he's seen yet another of the protos.
Ditto 21 Apr 2005 17:13
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GeoffHoonMP wrote:
Mendez wrote:
lol. maybe it's to piss off ludite c**ts like you. lol


Thanks for calling me a c**t, I'm glad to see that the UK:R invasion had an effect on you spongers


That was bit rash for a regular, Geoff and Rodd.

I don't have Javascript installed either, as I use Firefox and Javascript didn't come with the package. I haven't got time to download the file over my dial-up line.
config 21 Apr 2005 17:53
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GeoffHoonMP wrote:
Using f**king evilly custom-coded javascript hacks to open a link is not an improvement on the existing, and perfectly valid mechanism for loading new pages that _every_ other site on the web uses - in fact it's a retrograde step - because it causes bugs like:

The JavaScript thing is a layover from the days of images being shown in a pop-up. Plus it foils out-of-the-box spider software from snaffling our images, which is nice.

1 - me having to refresh this page manually to get any new posts every time I visit it.

Odd that, give that the forum explicitly sends "Expires", "Pragma" and "Cache-Control" headers (verified using Firefox's Live HTTP Header extension).

Assuming you haven't got some crazy browser config, I sincerely suggest you're viewing the world via a fscked up caching proxy.

2 - not being able to open links and image links in new tabs.


When more pressing things are cleared, I'll get those links sorted. As for the images, that's likely to stay. Sorry.

I don't see these bugs in any other site on the web.


Bugs. Features. Tom-ay-toes. Tom-ar-toes. Any other sites? I'll bet you do.


tyrion 21 Apr 2005 18:12
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Adam M wrote:
I don't have Javascript installed either, as I use Firefox and Javascript didn't come with the package. I haven't got time to download the file over my dial-up line.

You've got Firefox? You've got JavaScript.

Please don't fall into the Netscape-inspired trap of confusing Java (a compiled language from Sun) and JavaScript (an intepreted language originally from Netscape, now an ECMA standard produced by many, many companies).

JavaScript was originally called LiveScript, which tied in with Netscape's Live Connect technology. Then Java hit and Netscape decided to rebrand to catch the hype wave! People have been getting them confused ever since.

If you can use the buttons to the left of the forum message edit box, you have JavaScript and it's turned on. If you can click on a large image in the forums and see the full size image, you have JavaScript and it's turned on.
Rod Todd 21 Apr 2005 23:18
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GeoffHoonMP wrote:
vast exanses of the internet do not rely on JS


Well, we could get down to semantics if you like. But the Web is a part of the Internet. This cow IS an animal.

- networks have seven layers -


Under the BRM for OSI model they do. But the model is outdated, it was created in the late seventies and deals specifically with WANs, not interconnected LANs using IP. It was flawed when it was invented. The session layer, for instance, exists primarily to give the Germans somewhere to stick their T.62 protocol.

The bottom three layers reflect X.25 specifically, and are not particularly relevant to IP networking. Alternative and more contemporary models exist which frame TCP/IP networks within four (sometimes five) layers.

some applications that run on the web (which is at the application (top) layer of the net) use javascript.


Server-side JavaScript, while still in the application layer can be used for many non HTTP applications.


Here's a book for you to read:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156205810X/002-0045772-3918419?v=glance


I am familiar with Nielsen's work. He is an over rated, overly conservative, and dismissive of valid innovation. There are many better books on the subject.

While SPOnG use of JavaScript adds nothing, nor does it take anything away.

My sugestion that you "go read a book" was not so you could learn about computers. Rather to give you something to do so that you could avoid using them, and their "evil JavaScript".
warbaby 22 Apr 2005 01:25
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can anybody explain to me why a microsoft dev kit is house in a Mac computer??

Rod Todd 22 Apr 2005 05:58
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warbaby wrote:
can anybody explain to me why a microsoft dev kit is house in a Mac computer??


Because XBox 360 and Macintosh G5 share the same/a similar CPU architecture. Therefore, by shoving the NextBox GPU and custom hardware on a card, you can very easily make a G5 into something approximating an XBox 360.

A PC could not easily do the same things (it would have to emulate the CPU, or require a CPU daughter board).

So while Apple may be Microsoft's "Enemy" in the desktop battle, they are a useful ally in the war for total computing domination. But the kind of ally that will be used, and thrown away once the war is won.
config 22 Apr 2005 08:15
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Rod Todd wrote:
So while Apple may be Microsoft's "Enemy" in the desktop battle, they are a useful ally in the war for total computing domination. But the kind of ally that will be used, and thrown away once the war is won.


Hey, that sounds an aweful lot like the American goverment circa World War II! Use the Brits to help develop the A-bomb, promising to share the blueprints on the completed device. Then, once large tracts of Japan have been vapourised, tell the Brits to fsck right off.

Of course, we Brits cooked up our own A-bomb - giving them a huge, dirty, mushroom cloud-shaped finger.

PreciousRoi 22 Apr 2005 12:57
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Politics is it?

As a Yank myself, my one major regret was that we had to have a weak-ass bloody Anglophile President like Wilson when you fellows decided to have your "splendid little war". He mucked up bailing you out in war, and he mucked it up big time not keeping you lads and the frogs on a tighter leash come peacetime. Shoulda let you lot rot, or helped out the Jerries then, or better yet, let you ALL slog it out until you realized what bloody great gits you were being and went home or died. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans died so you and the French could lord it over Jerry until he kicked both your asses right off the continent, so we could come back and do it again. And looking at Britain's more recent military history, I wouldn't trust you lot with a cherry bomb, much less a nuclear device. So as far as any complaints about what happened at the end of the war, I think keeping your head down and your mouth shut would be more appropriate.
kid_77 22 Apr 2005 14:34
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PreciousRoi wrote:
And looking at Britain's more recent military history, I wouldn't trust you lot with a cherry bomb, much less a nuclear device. So as far as any complaints about what happened at the end of the war, I think keeping your head down and your mouth shut would be more appropriate.


Our recent military history? You mean helping you guys out in Iraq and Afghanistan and coming under friendly-fire in the way of thanks, because your soldiers too busy whooping to spot a British flag?
DoctorDee 22 Apr 2005 15:30
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kid_77 wrote:

Our recent military history? You mean helping you guys out in Iraq and Afghanistan and coming under friendly-fire in the way of thanks, because your soldiers too busy whooping to spot a British flag?


Well if Roi's attitude is anything to go by, I guess we can't assume that all those "accidents" were really accidental.

We should have stayed out of Iraq. If the US wants all the reconstruction work to go to its companies, it should have born the cost of the war. If they want an empire, they should bear the casualties.
Ditto 22 Apr 2005 16:48
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tyrion wrote:

Please don't fall into the Netscape-inspired trap of confusing Java (a compiled language from Sun) and JavaScript (an intepreted language originally from Netscape, now an ECMA standard produced by many, many companies).


Hup, true you are. Sorry about that.

RE Iraq, I don't think it was a great decision, but I'm more pissed that we followed Bush. What's done is done. Let's just concentrate on getting everyone back safely and ensuring Iraq isn't under American control for much longer.
LUPOS 22 Apr 2005 17:27
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"cause im proud to be an american... where at least i know im surrounded by small minded ass holes"

it just isnt very catchy is it?

Adam M wrote:
Let's just concentrate on getting everyone back safely and ensuring Iraq isn't under American control for much longer.


amen to that!

the only recent miltary action the brits have participated in latley is our mass murder campaign over in the desert... and you certainly cant fault them for helping out the people who "saved their asses, or butts, or whatever posterior related colloquialism(had to spell check that bad boy!) you choose"

although in regards to our empire building and contract desires... i am inclined to believe Mr. Blaire probably had soem similar asperations, else he wouldn't have gone alogn with it.
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Ditto 22 Apr 2005 19:50
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LUPOS wrote:

the only recent miltary action the brits have participated in latley is our mass murder campaign over in the desert... and you certainly cant fault them for helping out the people who "saved their asses, or butts, or whatever posterior related colloquialism(had to spell check that bad boy!) you choose"


LOL. We've repaid our debt ;).

although in regards to our empire building and contract desires... i am inclined to believe Mr. Blaire probably had soem similar asperations, else he wouldn't have gone alogn with it.


I think that Mr Blair went along with it because:
* Mr Bush asked him to, and it would have soured Anglo-American relations not to help.
* Mr Blair, and I respect the guy for this, thought that he was doing the right thing in Iraq and wanted to see it through to the end.
LUPOS 22 Apr 2005 20:06
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Adam M wrote:

I think that Mr Blair went along with it because:
* Mr Bush asked him to, and it would have soured Anglo-American relations not to help.
* Mr Blair, and I respect the guy for this, thought that he was doing the right thing in Iraq and wanted to see it through to the end.


good point, i forget some times that he was forced to rely on the information given to him. whiel im sure you own information departments are quite good (that james bond guy is amazing!) the possibility that we had uncovered information that you had not been privy to was possible. Considering our relatively good history as of recent its hard to fault the man for takign the leap of faith. Unfortunatley i and so many other average peopel knew before it happened that it was the wrong choice and a lie. Unfortunatly since Mr. Blaire lacked the balls to tell the big ol' USofA no we ended up with what apeared to be a decent amount of support in our "liberation effort/antiterrorism/9-11 revenge". I can't help but feel that you brits where sort of the key stone in the whole thing... sure france and germany arent with us, but we dont liek them anyway, they talk funny, but those good old boys from england knwo whats what! Dont take me wrong, im certainyl not layign any blame on you, but if Mr.Blaire had said no and explained publicly why he had said know, it woudl have been a BIG news item and a hard thing for the public to ignore. I don't envy the man who in good conscience has to send people of to fight a war so it certainyl wasnt taking the easy way out, it was just sort of damned if you do damned if you don't, and of course continueing good relations with the onyl remaing super power (at the time at least) seemed like a good idea for the long run. Plus i'm sure he didnt intend to intentionaly disbaned the iraqui military and replace it with salvilians trained as police and piss of the people by not rebuilding and force a militaristic gold mine of a quagmire... but then, i dont think anyone expected Bush to be this insane. Thhe lengths they go to never fail to amaze me. Right now they are tryign to remove fillibustering so they can stack the supreme court and take control of the country for decades to come... its a non militaristic coupe from the inside!
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Ditto 22 Apr 2005 20:29
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Oh, Lupos, you probably haven't heard about the biggest scandle in British intelligence - search the Net for our intelligence service's famous "sexed up" "Dodgy Dossier". These expressions have now entered normal speech in Britain:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3015272.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/print/politics/campbell_20030625.shtml

These articles aren't that great, and you'll probably find some better ones but they might give you an idea.

Anyway, I must be off, no-one's going out tonight so I'm in watching the rather excellent Derren Brown. This guy can control people without them realising. He's amazing. He also done a show in the good 'ol USofA showing how easy it was to convince normal Americans that impossible things were true - that was amazing too - see if you can find anything out about it in that site.
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