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PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:58
NO one is arguing that words of French origin apeear in English dictionaries...I believe the subject of contention was the percentage...you said 70%, I cried bullshit, did some research and the Infobahn backed me up with figures varying from 25%-40% (even if you give French credit for words derived from Latin it's only 50%). I said the core of the English language was Germanic, and the Infobahn backed me up with lists of the 100 most common English words, (of 5 lists I found, one of them had as many as 2 words of Franco-Romance origin people, and number) and an unverified, but plausible claim that 83% of the 1,000 most common English words are of Germanic origin. You even tried unsuccessfully to deny that the English definite article "the" was not, in fact, of Germanic origin, attempting to use the French indefinte articles as "proof".

Yeah, sure, I'll play along with your analogy, English and French did get hitched, it was a shotgun marrigae, and they had a single child, Anglo-Norman (which I would actually believe had a 70% French vocabulary). But then they separated, English kept the house, and their child was banished to some islands.

You sure this professor isn't the same drunk German chick who told someone that German was almost made the official language of the US? No, wait, I supposed the German chick would have to be French in this case...
OptimusP
Joined 13 Apr 2005
1174 comments
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:39
PreciousRoi wrote:
NO one is arguing that words of French origin apeear in English dictionaries...I believe the subject of contention was the percentage...you said 70%, I cried bullshit, did some research and the Infobahn backed me up with figures varying from 25%-40% (even if you give French credit for words derived from Latin it's only 50%). I said the core of the English language was Germanic, and the Infobahn backed me up with lists of the 100 most common English words, (of 5 lists I found, one of them had as many as 2 words of Franco-Romance origin people, and number) and an unverified, but plausible claim that 83% of the 1,000 most common English words are of Germanic origin. You even tried unsuccessfully to deny that the English definite article "the" was not, in fact, of Germanic origin, attempting to use the French indefinte articles as "proof".

Yeah, sure, I'll play along with your analogy, English and French did get hitched, it was a shotgun marrigae, and they had a single child, Anglo-Norman (which I would actually believe had a 70% French vocabulary). But then they separated, English kept the house, and their child was banished to some islands.

You sure this professor isn't the same drunk German chick who told someone that German was almost made the official language of the US? No, wait, I supposed the German chick would have to be French in this case...


He looked very manly, had a silent voice (very hard to follow whatever he was saying) and a freaky hairdo. I do follow the thaught that linguistic people are nuts anyway, so he probably over-exagerated.

And didn't German loose with only one vote?
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:46
No, there never was a vote on the subject of German as the, or even an official languge in the United States.

There was a vote on the German language which failed, but I believe it had to do with the printing of official documents in German, in addition to English, and I believe it was only applicable in the former colony of Pennsylvania. I may be incorrect on some of the details, but I think I have the gist of it there,
deleted
Joined 4 Jul 2007
2320 comments
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:53
There was a vote in most european countires and russia to German being the Official Langauge in June 28, 1914, and again on September 1, 1939 also i think the US was involved at one point, but that was far too late in the day tho :-D
PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:01
We've never gotten around to actually naming any offical languages, so I doubt that we ever seriouly entertained the notion of adopting German in advance of English...

http://www.watzmann.net/scg/german-by-one-vote.html

above link wrote:
On January 13, 1795, Congress considered a proposal, not to give German any official status, but merely to print the federal laws in German as well as English. During the debate, a motion to adjourn failed by one vote. The final vote rejecting the translation of federal laws, which took place one month later, is not recorded.


It failed, obviously.

The original "German" myth was popularized by German-Americans wishing to aggrandize the accomplishments of Revolutionary War German-Americans, it is now used by proponents of an English Language Amendment to the Constitution, as an example of how the English Language in America has been endangered in the past.

Similarly, I would assume that Optimus' professor is either a Francophile, or of French or Anglo-Norman descent, and has a similar ax to grind. I would also assume that the same logic has been used by British language "purists" in the past, to justify their attmepts to "Re-Angliscise" English. So exaggerating the contributions of French and Norman to English serves both group's purposes, the lie gets repeated, becomes accepted as common knowedge, and further spread along the Infobahn...
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