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Pilot13
Joined 2 Feb 2005
231 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:16
It's just a hassle I can't be bothered with. I don't watch much TV anyway, so I don't feel it's justified that I need to pay so the BBC can carry on making Changing Rooms etc.
kid_77
Joined 29 Nov 2004
875 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:23
I honestly don't know if I've got a TV licence... if we have, the missus must sort it out.

Come to think of it, I didn't have one at Uni either. Again, the girls sorted it out for the communal lounge TV.

Lovely, organised girls.
king skins
Joined 10 Mar 2005
563 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:57
tyrion wrote:
king skins wrote:
Or get a TV and not a aerial, and tell the licence man you only play games and you never watch TV, look no aerial. You only need a licence if you watch terrestrial TV, not if you own a TV.

Unfortunately not.

According to the TV Licensing Website advice for Students
If you use a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes (for example, a VCR, set-top box, DVD recorder or PC with a broadcast card) - you need a TV Licence. You are required by law to have one.



The important part of that sentence is:
IF YOU USE a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes

If he's not using it for that reason (to watch or record TV) then he doesn't need a licence.

You can legally own a TV without a licence as long as you don't watch any TV on it.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:03
king skins wrote:
The important part of that sentence is:
IF YOU USE a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes

If he's not using it for that reason (to watch or record TV) then he doesn't need a licence.

You can legally own a TV without a licence as long as you don't watch any TV on it.

Try proving that you don't use it for watching TV.

Go on, just try.

I've heard of people who have de-tuned their TVs, removed the tuner and had smashed tubes who still had to pay the license fee.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:05
Pilot13 wrote:
It's just a hassle I can't be bothered with. I don't watch much TV anyway, so I don't feel it's justified that I need to pay so the BBC can carry on making Changing Rooms etc.

Personally, I'd pay the BBC just so they can continue to exist without needing advertising.

The fact that there is a TV company that is insulated from the pressures that corporations can make through advertising withdrawal threats is worth paying for in my opinion.
king skins
Joined 10 Mar 2005
563 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:14
tyrion wrote:
king skins wrote:
The important part of that sentence is:
IF YOU USE a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes

If he's not using it for that reason (to watch or record TV) then he doesn't need a licence.

You can legally own a TV without a licence as long as you don't watch any TV on it.

Try proving that you don't use it for watching TV.

Go on, just try.

I've heard of people who have de-tuned their TVs, removed the tuner and had smashed tubes who still had to pay the license fee.


Would you have to? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty?

Why would you have to prove your innocence? Isn't in their responsibility to prove you have broken the law?

For people who end up paying... Well depends on whether you want to stand against the system or not. I think I would, I can be an awkward prick sometimes :)

This thread as got a little off topic!
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:13
king skins wrote:
You can legally own a TV without a licence as long as you don't watch any TV on it.

Actually I've just found this;

Communications Act 2003 - PART 4 LICENSING OF TV RECEPTION

A television receiver must not be installed or used unless the installation and use of the receiver is authorised by a licence under this Part.

I think the important part there is installed or used which seems to imply just plugging it in requires a license. Of course you could argue the definition of television receiver may not cover de-tuned TVs.

king skins wrote:
This thread as got a little off topic!

But in an interesting direction! That's what usually happens round here.
king skins
Joined 10 Mar 2005
563 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:27
I'm impressed with you research into this! :)

I would consider the television receiver to be a component of the TV. Some Plasmas and LSD's come without them...

So by owning a TV that already has one you get around the installing part... maybe?

Then as long as you don't use it, you get around the using part... maybe?

Anyone know any lawyers? I thought I was right earlier now I'm not so sure.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:41
king skins wrote:
I would consider the television receiver to be a component of the TV. Some Plasmas and LSD's come without them...

Well, according to the link above to the act.

In this Part "television receiver" means any apparatus of a description specified in regulations made by the Secretary of State setting out the descriptions of apparatus that are to be television receivers for the purposes of this Part.

From that, I'd a thunk that anything with a tuner would become a "television receiver" and installation would be putting it into your house and plugging it in.

And plasma and LCDs without a tuner are monitors, meant for displaying non-broadcast images from, for example, a computer.

So unfortunately, I think if you have a TV you need a license, no matter if you can prove you don't watch TV. In a student house with separate lets for each room, you would have to have a license per bedroom with a TV and one for a communal room as well!!

What is needed for just playing games (on topic - woo hoo!) is a computer monitor with s-Video or composite in, but no tuner. We have Dell Ultrasharp 2001FP 20" monitors here that do both s-Video and composite as well as D-Sub and DVI. They also have a four port USB hub built in.

Currently £412.66 from Dell

I'd recommend them in a flash. Fantastic quality screens, very pose-able and wide viewing angle.
Pilot13
Joined 2 Feb 2005
231 comments
Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:44

Personally, I'd pay the BBC just so they can continue to exist without needing advertising.

The fact that there is a TV company that is insulated from the pressures that corporations can make through advertising withdrawal threats is worth paying for in my opinion


I do agree. It is great there's still a channel out there that has no adverts and isn't actually linked to the government. However, I'm going to be a student, I don't know how long it'll take to get a job, my income and outgoings, and it's money I just can't afford, for something I rarely watch.

Nice monitor by the way.
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