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Joined 3 Sep 1999
2088 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:15
Rod Todd wrote:
So while Apple may be Microsoft's "Enemy" in the desktop battle, they are a useful ally in the war for total computing domination. But the kind of ally that will be used, and thrown away once the war is won.


Hey, that sounds an aweful lot like the American goverment circa World War II! Use the Brits to help develop the A-bomb, promising to share the blueprints on the completed device. Then, once large tracts of Japan have been vapourised, tell the Brits to fsck right off.

Of course, we Brits cooked up our own A-bomb - giving them a huge, dirty, mushroom cloud-shaped finger.

PreciousRoi
Joined 3 Apr 2005
1483 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:57
Politics is it?

As a Yank myself, my one major regret was that we had to have a weak-ass bloody Anglophile President like Wilson when you fellows decided to have your "splendid little war". He mucked up bailing you out in war, and he mucked it up big time not keeping you lads and the frogs on a tighter leash come peacetime. Shoulda let you lot rot, or helped out the Jerries then, or better yet, let you ALL slog it out until you realized what bloody great gits you were being and went home or died. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans died so you and the French could lord it over Jerry until he kicked both your asses right off the continent, so we could come back and do it again. And looking at Britain's more recent military history, I wouldn't trust you lot with a cherry bomb, much less a nuclear device. So as far as any complaints about what happened at the end of the war, I think keeping your head down and your mouth shut would be more appropriate.
kid_77
Joined 29 Nov 2004
875 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:34
PreciousRoi wrote:
And looking at Britain's more recent military history, I wouldn't trust you lot with a cherry bomb, much less a nuclear device. So as far as any complaints about what happened at the end of the war, I think keeping your head down and your mouth shut would be more appropriate.


Our recent military history? You mean helping you guys out in Iraq and Afghanistan and coming under friendly-fire in the way of thanks, because your soldiers too busy whooping to spot a British flag?
DoctorDee
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2130 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:30
kid_77 wrote:

Our recent military history? You mean helping you guys out in Iraq and Afghanistan and coming under friendly-fire in the way of thanks, because your soldiers too busy whooping to spot a British flag?


Well if Roi's attitude is anything to go by, I guess we can't assume that all those "accidents" were really accidental.

We should have stayed out of Iraq. If the US wants all the reconstruction work to go to its companies, it should have born the cost of the war. If they want an empire, they should bear the casualties.
Ditto
Joined 10 Jun 2004
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Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:48
tyrion wrote:

Please don't fall into the Netscape-inspired trap of confusing Java (a compiled language from Sun) and JavaScript (an intepreted language originally from Netscape, now an ECMA standard produced by many, many companies).


Hup, true you are. Sorry about that.

RE Iraq, I don't think it was a great decision, but I'm more pissed that we followed Bush. What's done is done. Let's just concentrate on getting everyone back safely and ensuring Iraq isn't under American control for much longer.
LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:27
"cause im proud to be an american... where at least i know im surrounded by small minded ass holes"

it just isnt very catchy is it?

Adam M wrote:
Let's just concentrate on getting everyone back safely and ensuring Iraq isn't under American control for much longer.


amen to that!

the only recent miltary action the brits have participated in latley is our mass murder campaign over in the desert... and you certainly cant fault them for helping out the people who "saved their asses, or butts, or whatever posterior related colloquialism(had to spell check that bad boy!) you choose"

although in regards to our empire building and contract desires... i am inclined to believe Mr. Blaire probably had soem similar asperations, else he wouldn't have gone alogn with it.
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Ditto
Joined 10 Jun 2004
1169 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:50
LUPOS wrote:

the only recent miltary action the brits have participated in latley is our mass murder campaign over in the desert... and you certainly cant fault them for helping out the people who "saved their asses, or butts, or whatever posterior related colloquialism(had to spell check that bad boy!) you choose"


LOL. We've repaid our debt ;).

although in regards to our empire building and contract desires... i am inclined to believe Mr. Blaire probably had soem similar asperations, else he wouldn't have gone alogn with it.


I think that Mr Blair went along with it because:
* Mr Bush asked him to, and it would have soured Anglo-American relations not to help.
* Mr Blair, and I respect the guy for this, thought that he was doing the right thing in Iraq and wanted to see it through to the end.
LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:06
Adam M wrote:

I think that Mr Blair went along with it because:
* Mr Bush asked him to, and it would have soured Anglo-American relations not to help.
* Mr Blair, and I respect the guy for this, thought that he was doing the right thing in Iraq and wanted to see it through to the end.


good point, i forget some times that he was forced to rely on the information given to him. whiel im sure you own information departments are quite good (that james bond guy is amazing!) the possibility that we had uncovered information that you had not been privy to was possible. Considering our relatively good history as of recent its hard to fault the man for takign the leap of faith. Unfortunatley i and so many other average peopel knew before it happened that it was the wrong choice and a lie. Unfortunatly since Mr. Blaire lacked the balls to tell the big ol' USofA no we ended up with what apeared to be a decent amount of support in our "liberation effort/antiterrorism/9-11 revenge". I can't help but feel that you brits where sort of the key stone in the whole thing... sure france and germany arent with us, but we dont liek them anyway, they talk funny, but those good old boys from england knwo whats what! Dont take me wrong, im certainyl not layign any blame on you, but if Mr.Blaire had said no and explained publicly why he had said know, it woudl have been a BIG news item and a hard thing for the public to ignore. I don't envy the man who in good conscience has to send people of to fight a war so it certainyl wasnt taking the easy way out, it was just sort of damned if you do damned if you don't, and of course continueing good relations with the onyl remaing super power (at the time at least) seemed like a good idea for the long run. Plus i'm sure he didnt intend to intentionaly disbaned the iraqui military and replace it with salvilians trained as police and piss of the people by not rebuilding and force a militaristic gold mine of a quagmire... but then, i dont think anyone expected Bush to be this insane. Thhe lengths they go to never fail to amaze me. Right now they are tryign to remove fillibustering so they can stack the supreme court and take control of the country for decades to come... its a non militaristic coupe from the inside!
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Ditto
Joined 10 Jun 2004
1169 comments
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:29
Oh, Lupos, you probably haven't heard about the biggest scandle in British intelligence - search the Net for our intelligence service's famous "sexed up" "Dodgy Dossier". These expressions have now entered normal speech in Britain:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3015272.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/print/politics/campbell_20030625.shtml

These articles aren't that great, and you'll probably find some better ones but they might give you an idea.

Anyway, I must be off, no-one's going out tonight so I'm in watching the rather excellent Derren Brown. This guy can control people without them realising. He's amazing. He also done a show in the good 'ol USofA showing how easy it was to convince normal Americans that impossible things were true - that was amazing too - see if you can find anything out about it in that site.
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