BBFC On Manhunt 2 Ban: Rockstar To Appeal?

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Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:12
Go for it Rockstar. Make your appeal. My bet is the game wasn't played through fully by whoever had to rate it.

I so hate this, an adult game for an adult audience and we can't have it. But hey, Saw and Hostel, you guys get the green light.

Those only two words to describe this, double standards.
Tez
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:57
I think this is good news. Things like Manhunt ony make the media go wild and give the gaming industry a bad name. and I dont want a bad name for the industry I have loved all my life.
me
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:27
bad news! there are a lot worse films out. People are just dumb(i wasnt gonna get manhunt but the choice being taken away is a joke)
hollywooda
Joined 27 Jun 2006
663 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:30
Rock* must be rubbing their hands (secretly) everyone knows banning anything makes people want it more & gives them instant cult status, look back & the old horror films, evil dead, chainsaw massacre, the exorcist, those films were huge!. this is just what Rockstar want & I'm sooo glad they are doing it on the Wii, someone desperately needed to give its ohh so clean cut, family loving, cutesy Mario imagine some filth & dirt, because 4 me Nintendo's imagine is really boring.
headcasephil
Joined 23 Sep 2005
659 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:31
another game that i am going to have to import so pay a f**king lot for i wish we did not live in a big brother world and i have the right to be able to choose whether I'm going to play games were it might be ab it gory I'm not going to get nightmares and I'm not going to play a game and then re-an act it
Bob Fossill
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:51
phil cort wrote:
another game that i am going to have to import so pay a f**king lot .../quote]

It's a s**t game. Forget it.
Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:59
How do you know it's a crap game, have you played it? How can you judge it if you haven't?

Even so, are we not allowed to make up our own minds as adults any more?

If this ban continues then I'll happily import it to support Rockstar against the nanny state.
Bob Fossill
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:18
Joji wrote:
How do you know it's a crap game, have you played it?.


I have seen extended demos of the game and I am in total agreement with the BBFC. It shouldn't be allowed to be sold to anybody. And, unlike you may imagine, I am not a Daily Mail reading 'ban these evil games' type but a hardcore gamer and childless thirty-something male and usually consider myself to be very liberal on such matters.

Rockstar will inevitably have the ban overturned in time - gaining acres of free publicity as they do so - and this s**t game will eventually find its way into stores, so don't worry too much... But I'd advise you to not buy it, not only becuase the constant gratuitous violence tends to grate, but mainly because as a game it is incredibly dull.
Michael Bailey
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:30
Sorry to be the one to point this out to you but the BBFC is one of the more liberal censorship body (well for films it is) so if you wont to import Manhunt 2 (like me as I really wont to play this game) chances are if the BBFC wont let it pass the ESRB will problem not pass the game. Which leaves the only option for importing as Japan or importing a different language game and I don’t fancy trying to play the game in Japanese or French. So if the appeal is unsuccessful it is very unlikely we will get to play this game.
Zoot Alors
Joined 6 Jun 2007
35 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:33
Darkstar Orion wrote:
F**k the BBFC


Yup, that's telling them in a language that certainly will convince the buggers that us gamers can make mature decisions and don't need nannying.

Darkstar Orion wrote:
Yeah sorry, ignore the police who know the case BETTER THEN YOU DO YOU GRIVING BITCH, sorry blame it on manhunt. Not the fact that you let your son get involved with some pyshco.


Yeah, the police are cool. We should listen to the police! Yeah! We're rebels who listen to the police! Yeah!

I'm assuming - that you mean, "Grieving bitch" - nice. Sure, if (and god forbid you ever actually breed) your child is murdered you'll certainly take the rational approach and not look to blame anybody at all. I mean, everybody does. And yeah! 'Griving' is like soooo lame and, like, makes you a bitch! Yeah... listen to the police!

Darkstar Orion wrote:
If you don't like something, don't play it, watch it, or read it. Just F**K off, and leave the rest of us alone.


Yup, that's the kind of gamer input that really ensures that the BBFC, The Daily Mail and Keith Vaz and Mr Thompson have no leg to stand on when seeking popular support for banning games - and their contention that gaming turns us all into mindless thugs with no grasp on the reality to social interaction - yeah, f**k that too, f**kers! What would the police say! Ask Sting! Yeah!

"Your honour, I would like to quote a Mr Darkstar Orion in his defence of gamers choice. I think he put it most cogently when he said, "F**k the BBFC! Listen to the police! F**k you all and f**k all grieving mothers!"

Nice one.

Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:50
I should have rephrased my question, have you played the full game from start to end? You can't judge a game on a demo properly. Sometimes the full game is actually better and irons out its problems. Come back and moan when you've played the full game, son.

Besides, we'll never get the chance to judge for ourselves by buying and playing it fully if this crap stays in place. I too am of a similar demographic to you, but I'd like the choice to say 'no, I don't want to buy that', instead of having it taken from me and never knowing.

I'm betting the BBFC made this decision without looking at the context of the storyline (which games have now, BBFC), which seems to be en vogue these days. I'd need evidence from them to really believe that this game deserves a ban. They have a website, so perhaps when ever they ban something, they should be prepared to present the evidence to the public as to why.
Ditto
Joined 10 Jun 2004
1169 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:20
Joji wrote:
I should have rephrased my question, have you played the full game from start to end? You can't judge a game on a demo properly. Sometimes the full game is actually better and irons out its problems. Come back and moan when you've played the full game, son.


Ditto to you Joji ;).

The only people who have played the game through are, wait, the BBFC!

I'm betting the BBFC made this decision without looking at the context of the storyline (which games have now, BBFC), which seems to be en vogue these days.


They probably played the game through and made an informed decision.
Rahovart
Anonymous
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:42
Crap or not, it is an artistic medium that developers have clearly spent a lot of time on, and something they are proud of. It's the developers, artists if you will, who are the ones losing out here, knowing that their hard work cannot be appreciated by those interested as it is deemed unsuitable. What is suitable these days? We are in too much of a liberal world now to even think about reverting to a sheltered society.

I'd certainly be a mighty bit ticked off if something I had spent hour upon hour, with no doubt endless crunches developing, even adapting to new formats such as the Wii control system, never got to see the light of day in some places.

But then, hasn't this existed as long as art itself?

king skins
Joined 10 Mar 2005
563 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:05
Joji wrote:
I'm betting the BBFC made this decision without looking at the context of the storyline (which games have now, BBFC), which seems to be en vogue these days. I'd need evidence from them to really believe that this game deserves a ban. They have a website, so perhaps when ever they ban something, they should be prepared to present the evidence to the public as to why.


Your normally quite a good poster but I completly disagree with you here. The BBFC is probably the best rating board in the world and they are very liberal. Its show your compete ignorence of how the BBFC work, all there decisions are based on the context in which the violence is presented.

And the BBFC did state why they didn't give the game a rating:

BBFC wrote:
Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game," added Cooke.

Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public.



Joji wrote:
Besides, we'll never get the chance to judge for ourselves by buying and playing it fully if this crap stays in place. I too am of a similar demographic to you, but I'd like the choice to say 'no, I don't want to buy that', instead of having it taken from me and never knowing.


So if someone decided to make a game where you stalked little kids and then molested them you'd be cool with that cos you an adult and its upto you to make a choice about whether you want to buy it ot not?

I know you not going to agree with that and so you must agree that there is some cases where games/videos/media should be band from public sale? So we need something like the BBFC and their rules in place to monitor what goes on public sale.

The game has only been banned from public sale in the UK, your free to go import it if you want.
Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:34
Okay, if they've played the game start to end, I'd like to see the evidence of that to back their decision. Surely they can at least supply that, are some of you saying that's too much to ask for? Course it isn't.

Did they play it fully start to end, that is the question (as well as the one above).

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