Japan welcomes PS3, shuns Xbox 360

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squall3534
Joined 30 Oct 2004
15 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27
This is good; and bad. Its good that microsoft is at the bottom of the barrel yet bad that nintendo are in the middle! I personally cant wait to play all the reto stuff downloaded on one godly machine!
fluffstardx
Joined 20 May 2004
633 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:59
Well:

*1000 people between 10 and 59 is hardly a good sample.
*The high Playstation percentage is hardly surprising in that regard either; the age range has such extremes that the most known brand is likely to win, and as such a massive margin like that is to be expected.
*I'd care more if it was 1000 people between 15 and 35, as they're the only people likely to see any of them in the next year. With prices expected to be between £2-400, I doubt many outside the age bracket would even stand a chance.

Market research is always crap. Personally? 360 depends on price, Rev depends on games, PS3 depends on whether they force me with a gun or not. The PS was not my taste, the PS2 lost my support years back, and the Xbox is still happily sat under my telly. I've had 2 gamecubes, because animal crossing won me back.
squall3534
Joined 30 Oct 2004
15 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:05
Yeah. Good point. Heres another one. Dont you think the revolution will only impress the hard core ninty fans? You know the type, the ones sad enought to go to there local gamestation and buy a N64 or snes game for £5.00 or less. I think the revo will need a alot of 3rd party support to take off the way it should. Lets hope it doesnt have the same fate as teh GC.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:33
fluffstardx wrote:
*I'd care more if it was 1000 people between 15 and 35, as they're the only people likely to see any of them in the next year. With prices expected to be between £2-400, I doubt many outside the age bracket would even stand a chance.

Well, if there were no overlaps at all, 30% of respondents didn't want any of the next-gen consoles. I can see a lot of families in Japan getting a console for the family to share, so 10-59 is a decent age range to talk to.

fluffstardx wrote:
Market research is always crap.

Oh god yeah, market research is usually bought by the big companies, so the questions are skewed in favour of their desired results.

fluffstardx wrote:
Personally? 360 depends on price, Rev depends on games, PS3 depends on whether they force me with a gun or not. The PS was not my taste, the PS2 lost my support years back, and the Xbox is still happily sat under my telly. I've had 2 gamecubes, because animal crossing won me back.

So if 360 is expensive and there are only a few new games for Rev you won't get a next-gen console at all??

For me, I'm much happier with the games that have come out on PS2 than the others. There is a larger spread of exclusives that I want to play, multi-format releases are all on PS2, so there's no problems getting games I want to play.

Also I much prefer the PS2 controller, obviously I'm gonna reserve judgement on the PS3 controller until I hold a production one in my hands. That goes for the others as well, of course.

All in all I think it's gonna be a good competition between 360 and PS3. Rev will be interesting in its own right, but I just can't see it expanding the market enough to challenge the "more and faster" approach of the other two.
Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:52
It's okay to get discouraged by not knowing what Nintendo have up their sleeves and sit in Sony's camp for the next decade because that's where the eggs are now. But I hope that the third party support the DS is getting will have a knock on effect on the Rev.

Whoever wants to label me as a Nintendo fanboy is wrong because I play games over all formats. If a games is good I'll try it out and give it my time and the opposite if not. I'm also a man not a boy.

The japanese I think just don't like MS knocking on their door, when their country is recovering from a recession. In many industries the great americanos rule so I can understand them not wanting to let a games industry that they breathed life back into jump ship to the states as another example of the U.S planetary dominance.

Biased or not, you choose. 360 is gonna have one hell of a battle against Rev though. We know little about Rev but you should never underestimte Nintendo, the DS itself is an example to that fact.

Ideally I'd like to by them all because sweet games are on all of them but I'm sure some japanese don't think like that openly.
fluffstardx
Joined 20 May 2004
633 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:40
tyrion wrote:
So if 360 is expensive and there are only a few new games for Rev you won't get a next-gen console at all??


I'll do up my PC and wait for the real war (1-2 years in) to begin...
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:06
matthew tingle wrote:
............... Lets hope it doesnt have the same fate as teh GC.


That fate being an ignored console, Nintendo made so much money this generation its funny people consider them at a loss. You see Nintendo's strategy is to make things that are fun and make money on the initial sale. There strategy is much different then Sony's which is copy as much of the competitions strategy and products as possible while still having people convinced that what they are doing is cool and original. On the other hand you have Microsoft's strategy which is make their console such a good deal right now with all the coolest games that no one can pass it up, then when they get us buying their stuff they make it an even better deal to try and squash the competition completely in one single blow.

So saying all of this i have to say that i am buying a Revolution and a 360 now and droping my 360 if m$ seems to be getting aut of controle.
SPInGSPOnG
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:09
fluffstardx wrote:
*1000 people between 10 and 59 is hardly a good sample.


It is, statitically speaking, a significant sample. You'd be surprised how few people are polled in those opinion polls that are touted on the TV and in newspapers daily, and particulalry in the run up to an election.

The high Playstation percentage is hardly surprising in that regard either; the age range has such extremes that the most known brand is likely to win, and as such a massive margin like that is to be expected.


Excellent. Discount a product being successful because of its popularity. In Japan Nintendo is EXACTLY as well known as Sony, and most people have heard of Microsoft too.

I'd care more if it was 1000 people between 15 and 35, as they're the only people likely to see any of them in the next year.


This is just the arrogance and ignorance of youth speaking. In Japan, where computer gaming has been an acceptable passtime for adults for many years, and where penetration at all ages is very high, this age range is also relevant.

I'm guessing you've never been to Japan, which puts you in an excellent position to comment on these data.

Market research is always crap.


By which you mean, "Market research that does not back up my personal opinions is always crap". Everyone feels that way.

Personally? 360 depends on price, Rev depends on games, PS3 depends on whether they force me with a gun or not.


And there is the crux of your point. That's your choice, but there's no need to deride (and analyse poorly) the opinions of 1000 Japanese people you don't know just because they don't agree with you. You buy what you like, and they'll buy what they like.
config
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2087 comments
Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:14
Pistol-Pat wrote:
There strategy is much different then Sony's which is copy as much of the competitions strategy and products as possible while still having people convinced that what they are doing is cool and original.


So you're saying that Sony's strategy with PS1 was to emulate Sega and it's Saturn campaign?

No, I don't think so.

And the PS2? That was based on the Dreamcast's fedit strategy?

Really, I think this gen is the first time Sony have had a competitor who's strategy has been worthy of taking note.

On the other hand you have Microsoft's strategy which is make their console such a good deal right now with all the coolest games that no one can pass it up


See, I don't think it's such as great deal, and I don't think Xbox has all the coolest games. So it's clear someone can pass it up.

saurian
Joined 4 Aug 2004
64 comments
Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:30
Rod Todd wrote:


That's your choice, but there's no need to deride (and analyse poorly) the opinions of 1000 Japanese people you don't know just because they don't agree with you. You buy what you like, and they'll buy what they like.


Well, Ron Todd, this is the time I actually agree with your comments 100%.

In general, I am not surprised by the lack of enthusiasm for 360, or the PS3 percentage. The worrying thing is how far off Nintendo are. Lets just hope that its because of lack of information about the revolution and that it will pick up dramatically later. If not, I think it will be the last Nintendo console and they will go totally handheld.
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:27
config wrote:
Pistol-Pat wrote:
There strategy is much different then Sony's which is copy as much of the competitions strategy and products as possible while still having people convinced that what they are doing is cool and original.


So you're saying that Sony's strategy with PS1 was to emulate Sega and it's Saturn campaign?

No, I don't think so.

And the PS2? That was based on the Dreamcast's fedit strategy?

Really, I think this gen is the first time Sony have had a competitor who's strategy has been worthy of taking note.

On the other hand you have Microsoft's strategy which is make their console such a good deal right now with all the coolest games that no one can pass it up


See, I don't think it's such as great deal, and I don't think Xbox has all the coolest games. So it's clear someone can pass it up.


Well in the above post what seems to be happening is that one person that being config reads a post and then determines what it says by spewing words about in a sum what no so retarded way. But, there is a remedy to his mistake and that is to reread my post to which he commented on while being monitered by a social worker who is there to tell you when you made up something and if you actually have a logical point. Also for further notice when someone has a strategy it doesn't mean things are exactly how their strategy is suposed to be, because it is their strategy/goal idiot.
kid_77
Joined 29 Nov 2004
875 comments
Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:49
Finished throwing your toys out the pram? Config doesn't agree with you, and has given perfectly good reasons why in a controlled and polite manner. If you think he hasn't understood your point, then maybe you need to elaborate on it.

He wasn't making a personal attack on you, he just didn't agree. Calling him an idiot is not gonna get you any where.
config
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2087 comments
Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:22
Ithankyou.

GeoffreyBa
Joined 26 Dec 2003
21 comments
Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:20
Pistol-Pat wrote:
config wrote:
Pistol-Pat wrote:
There strategy is much different then Sony's which is copy as much of the competitions strategy and products as possible while still having people convinced that what they are doing is cool and original.


So you're saying that Sony's strategy with PS1 was to emulate Sega and it's Saturn campaign?

No, I don't think so.

And the PS2? That was based on the Dreamcast's fedit strategy?

Really, I think this gen is the first time Sony have had a competitor who's strategy has been worthy of taking note.

On the other hand you have Microsoft's strategy which is make their console such a good deal right now with all the coolest games that no one can pass it up


See, I don't think it's such as great deal, and I don't think Xbox has all the coolest games. So it's clear someone can pass it up.


Well in the ....quote]
To Pistol-Pat and Config, I think I may be able to shed some light on what each of you meant to each other. When Pistol first said about Playstation copying strategy it could easily be said that in fact playstation was copying saturn just because of the disc drive. That doesn't really make the point relevent though. Something I do think that was copied partially was the eyetoy thing. It was merely the same thing as a gameboy camera for a console at first but they did in fact make it something more. Which proves both points equally I feel. And the second point you were trying to make Pistol-Pat is that the companies strategies seemed correct to you which config then rebuttled that it wasn't for him. There is and was no need to call him and idiot then say that it was all based on your opinion so I think you both kind of cleared that one up yourself.

Now onto my own opinion, 1000 people is in no spectrum a good sample. I do not care if there are some professional surveys that take from that or a smaller sample size. I've done surveys for a class that needed a sample size of atleast 1000 people, and that was still when I was in high school. I've done three already with sample sizes of 2000 or more people for classes in college. So I see no real problem with finding more people then that, and I must say that after being to Japan, and to the Tokyo electronic district it would be very easy to get more people. Now the results I see no problem with because the Japanese really do like to stick with what they know and no matter what if you stick two japansese companies against one american company you'll get similar results.
DaPistolPat
Joined 13 Apr 2005
78 comments
Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:09
My whole freakin point about him being an idiot was that he add facts to my statement and claimed that they were my opinion and then said I was wrong in saying those things that he assumed i meant and passed it off as a mistake. Which is a good reason why i said he was an idiot ofcourse there are better words to describe what he doing but i thought idiot was good enough.
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