Bungie ? Halo 2 leak left emotional scars

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acidviper
Joined 24 May 2004
100 comments
Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:59
99.9999999999% is a really high percentage. You are not going to sell that many copies unless dogs and mosquitoes start buying copies. It also seems like a big waste of time if you could not prevent the story from being leaked right at the end. Why do you trust French morons, but not local game reviewers like IGN and Gamespot. If you could sue the French guy I'm sure their company is worth less than a million dollars. Whereas IGN or Gamespot are multi-million dollar companies where if they broke an NDA or leaked the game they would be screwed in the eyes of the public. As it stand Americans hate French people anyways.
GeoffreyBa
Joined 26 Dec 2003
21 comments
Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:30
acidviper wrote:
99.9999999999% is a really high percentage. You are not going to sell that many copies unless dogs and mosquitoes start buying copies.

It seems like you didn't read the article, it says that it would spoil the game for 99.9999..% of fans, not everyone. Dogs and mosquitoes are not fans of a video game no matter how much some people may think they are.
It also seems like a big waste of time if you could not prevent the story from being leaked right at the end. Why do you trust French morons, but not local game reviewers like IGN and Gamespot. If you could sue the French guy I'm sure their company is worth less than a million dollars. Whereas IGN or Gamespot are multi-million dollar companies where if they broke an NDA or leaked the game they would be screwed in the eyes of the public.

It would help if you refrained from calling other people morons, especially a whole country of people, Bungie chooses to do what they do for their own reasons. Not because some guy out there on the internet wants them to allow IGN or Gamespot to review a game. IGN for one has had enough playing time with the game over the past year to write what could basiclly be a complete review especially includeing their playing time from a few weeks ago, right before the game went Gold. And how do you expect Bungie if they cannot trust these French "morons", to be able to make enough copies for worldwide release, they've got to make enough copies some where and they can't all come from one place so they have atleast one for each country. Open your eyes a little.
As it stand Americans hate French people anyways.

That is why people hate Americans, they make stupid judgments and remarks like that. And thats coming from an American.
btnheazy03
Joined 29 Nov 2004
37 comments
Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:53
yeah .. that, and they bent over instead of fight for their country during world war 2 .. and they let the allied forces do all the dirty work (including the US) without showing gratitude .. and they're anti-semitic
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Joji
Joined 12 Mar 2004
3960 comments
Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:03
I think it's kind of below the belt bringing the war into an arguement over a game. If not France it would have been somewhere else.

If you know your history properly you'll know Germany is right slap bang next to France. With the Nazis conquering Europe where could the french run to but into the sea. Part of any fight is knowing when you are beaten, and also how to get back on your feet to fight again. By letting the Nazi scum in, the french knew their enemy even more than ever, and as a result could fight them through the resistance. Had the french gone totally gung ho there would have been no resistance, and the Nazis would have reached England sooner, with America as their next stop. If you are a yank be greatful next time you salute to Lady Liberty and never forget where she came from.

As for leaving suddenly the yanks done great in Nam didn't they? Losing is humbling to all but also a chance to learn and every nation has lost at something.

As for the Halo 2 biz, try a worldwide release next time Bungie and MS, but good luck in you fight against the pirates.
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Rod Todd
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:01
I find it really difficult to sympathise with anyone who sells their soul to the Microsoft Empire of Evil.

I mean, It's tough and all, getting your work ripped off, but I'm sure they have enough beer to cry into, they bought with their Microsoft dirty money.

And if Xbox owners are miserable enough cockroaches to download this rather than buying it (when it is the most important and best title on their platform) then the whole Xbox thing deserves to bo bust.

Of course, Microsoft will never allow that to happen, because it's not about games, it's about getting a media player box into every lounge so that they can control (and profit from) every item of entertainment you watch, play or listen to.
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vault 13
Joined 22 Oct 2004
538 comments
Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:08
Look whatever. Games get leaked all the time. When some guy uploaded the full Jedi Academy from some Lucas Arts employee's laptop to the web (at the E3 show I think), no one really gave a stink. I'm sure Lucas Arts was pissed. Yeah, common reaction. And yes, Halo 2 is going to be one of best games of the year. But come on, for Bungie to call out (more like whine), to the Halo fanbase, to do whatever they could to protect the only thing this company has to make money off, f them! (Can we curse? I dunno. Someone make a forum about cussing! Heh...) Piration happens everyday and no one makes a big deal about it. It was gonna happen anyway. And whose gonna get the story spoiled? Some little twelve year old who doesn't even really care about one of the biggest game events in history? Any real Halo fans are intelligent enough and cautious enough not to read or even go to sites that could potentially hold spoilers about Halo 2. Personally, if it was the full retail American version, I'd play it. To have an exact copy of my November 9th purchase to play a few weeks before, fantastic I'd say. And I'd be laughing at all the people who are trying to eek out a kill or two in multiplayer when they're faced with people like me, who've been honing our skills for weeks.

Well this post is meandering and losing focus. What I'm saying is this. F**k Bungie for crying about someone pirating there software. I didn't let Microsoft control me and say I can't have more games in the works! I didn't rip the game! I didn't ruin anything for anyone (if I infact downloaded the game). I'm buying my copy of Halo 2 and I'm not going on forums and ruining stuff about Halo 2. I don't know why Bungie thinks their case is sooooo much different from EVERY single other game out there that gets pirated. Downloading Halo 2 is the same as downloading the next Final Fantasy or Roller Coaster Tycoon or Bass Avenger! The effects are the same. Maybe not proportionally, but still the same. Don't get me wrong, I HATE piration. It drives up game sales and delays games so that they can have extra security measures to prevent it. But if someone is gonna post a game early before I can get it. I'm gonna enjoy every damn day of it.
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LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:04
oh come off it! bungie is a developer first and formost... they have made great games for years and that is the primary goal... yes they are owned by MS now, is microsoft somehow more evil than sony in there money groubign world conquiring endevors? are you goign to tell me you only own a game cube? and onyl buy games made by independant developers cause your all about that? please... these guys are good guys who sepnt three years of their lives workign on this game and the one thing they made absoltly sure of was that the single player story was not uined before release... thats all they wanted... for the whole world to get it at once and experience it as it was ment to be, without any preconcieved notions. who gives a crap is MS owns them (unless your a long tiem mac for or a bitter ps2 owner) the still make great games on there own on their terms... you think ms is really dictating to these gusy what to do? MS knows that if not for halo the xbox would possibly have been dead by now. and as for "every game gets leaked" thats a weak cop out, very few games get leaked a full month before they are to be released in their full retail version... some get demo leaked liek doom, or source code leaked liek HL2 and most get pirated the day they come out but it is a rarity (atleast it used to be) for a big name game liek this to be ganged a full month ahead of schedule.

as for bungie asking there fans to help regulate the spreading of the game what is wrogn with that? these are people... you wana put the ms front on this hard workign dedicated group of around 50 guys(and girls) who only wanted to keep the story secret so as to not ruin the experience. and even though i am smart enough to not go on forums where peopel might ruin things i have been looking forward to 11/9 since it was first anouced, this is my christmas morning and now i find out that a bunch of peopel are goign to have played with my toy before i get to. its been tainted, this isnt just for bungies sake its for the sake of anyoen who really cares about this game. which for refference sake, is a hell of a lot fo people. how many times that you can think fo have every video game stor eint eh counry been open at midnight for a brand new game? are they doign that for san andres ? the eb by me sure isn't. this isnt #372 in a lon line of star wars games this is a monumental day in video game history, like mario 3 or super metroid. oh poor bungie and all their money, they deserve every cent they got and then some. point is bungie is bungie weather ms owns them or not. they do what they want and what they want is to make the best damn games they possibly can, in my opinion any one who so much as watches a friend play a burned copy of that game deserves a swift kick to the groin daily untill 11/9. and a thumb removal might also be in order.

call me crazy, as im sure someone will, but i think there are certain things that are sacred! this being one of them. so you, go "F" yourself.

thats just one fanboys opinion.

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Rod Todd
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:23
LUPOS wrote:
is microsoft somehow more evil than sony in there money groubign world conquiring endevors?


Yes.
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LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:57
Rod Todd wrote:

Yes.


just because your life is more directly affected by windows does not make monopolyzing digital media formats any less important... less we forget the memory stick? a-trak? mini-disk? or the piece de resistance beta max? since as long as any one has known the name sony sony has been tryign to corner the market by suberverting what everyone else was doing and trying to trump it with some propriatary nonsence. and now the blu-ray comes out (and don't get me wrong from the stats, blu-ray kicks the crap out of hddvd) and sony retsarts the whole beta max war again with yet another propritary media format. yeah ms is huge casue the basically own the computer market but sony does the same thing for the rest of the entertainment industry including owning movie studiosso they can do an even better job pushing their new movie playback format.

the only reason i liek xbox over ps2 is because it seems to me that sony didn't put nearly the effort into makeing a "next gen system" dreamcast had built in support for online games and did relatively well with it, sony saw it thoguht it was a good idea... then left it out, same witht he hard drive, they knew it was a good idea... otherwise your ps2 woudl be alot smaller, but still they left it out, and then they have the balls to charge the same price for it as ms does for an xbox. and someone still bought the thing... does anyoen remebr the launch titles for that thing?

not exactly spectacular.

if im goign to give my money to a huge evil world controling corporation then im goign to give it to the one that supports my best intrests and M$ put out a far superior product at the same price point nd it was designed from the beggining to support inovations like nline play and downloadable content, and lets not forget the ever retarded 2 contoller port option. n64-4 ports, DC- 4 ports, ps2 -f'n stupid and yet all the sony lovers don't mind paying 30 bucks for a multi tap... an item i might add that cost them maybe 5 bucks tops to manufacture,... but every boddy throws a fit when they have to play for dvd play back on the xbox when alot fo peopel who payed the initial 300 already had dvd players! not to mention the additional cost of the hardive/network adapter... and if you do buy the xbox dvd player you get a remote... if you buy the sony remote control... it costs just qas much... so for the same functionaly (excluding the obviously superior graphics and such) i can pay $330 (original cost) for an xbox or 450 (ps2, hd/nic, remote, multi tap) hmmmm and whats that you say... i can play bouncer the day it comes out? wow... im a git me one o'dem thangs! tarnashon!

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vault 13
Joined 22 Oct 2004
538 comments
Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:11
Man whatever, X-box didn't have any worthwhile games excluding Halo, which they had to buy out for exclusivity, on launch day or for a year after that! Go them for creating or publishing some of the worst games ever. (Mad Dash, Night Caster, Azurik, Brute Force!!!, Grabbed By The Ghoulies!!!, Kaukto Chojin, Tao Feng) . Damn I mean I can name about 20 off the top of my head that Sony has made in house in the first year that were good games for PS2. But that's not the point of this thread.

IT'S ALL ABOUT BUNGIE AND THEIR WHINING!!! It's about Bungie thinking their game is the end all and that their piration is some special case and that we, as the Halo gaming community, rally around and do their dirty work in rooting out the pirators. Let them be. I don't care, it's not ruining my experience. No one is playing with my toy! My COPY is preordered at MY EB. And at midnight on 11/9, I'm gonna be waiting on line for MY copy of Halo 2.
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LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:20
vault 13 wrote:
IT'S ALL ABOUT BUNGIE AND THEIR WHINING!!! .


it is aboslutly not about there whining it is about there following suit with what valve did. they don't think they are special you just think that because its bungie and everyone else makes them out liek they are (olde thyme quote) the bees knees they they think so too! all the interviews i have read and all the articles i have seen have made them out to be very nice guys who are suprisignly humble. all they do is spend night and day workign to make this the best game they coudl possibly make.

heres a better analogy for you, forget the present thing. 11/9 is my weeding day, me and my lovely bride to be have been "waiting" for our wedding night to make things official! then all of the sudden a month before we are set to get married somebody snatches my girl comming out of work and rapes her... im pissed shes a mess... and her father is rightfully out there looking to tear the balls of of whoever just fouled his baby. this is different from a came comign out and then havign ilegal copies made... its like a girl who alreayd lost her virginity having meanigless sex with some guy from a club or something... those games wheren't that special anyway... this game was special espcially to me. maybe not you, but thats why you aren't marrying it (oh my signature is that much funnier right now). There are always going to be people who will just do whatever without concern for how it affects others around them and thats a damn shame, but even your avergae run of the mill prick doesnt write his name on the bathroom wall in a church. some things just demand little bit more respect than others(and no im not a religiou person but i understand the importance is holds to other people). this isnt some guy coping a feel on the subway(peakign at the doom 3 demo last year) or catchign a glimps up her skirt cause she sitting cross legged (valve source coad leeked) this is the total package takin againt there will and before anyoen else. this is MORE WRONG! or wronger or whatever. if you don't mind sloppy seconds thats your buisness, personaly it pisses me off and i have a great deal of sympathy for bungie in this matter as well because they have been nothign but fantastic to there fans, excellent web site... free version of there old games to try, a program that you can sue to run thier old mac games on a pc. and a fantastic support for all the moders out there. i would liek you to show many how many other developers have taken such a vested intrest in their fans and what they have to say. they didnt have to do a weekly update... they didn't have to do the whole ilovebees thing. this wall all extra, what they did for there fans to keep them happy during the painfull wait for that most speciall of days (ocasiaonl hand jobs if you will). sure it was a long wait but im willing to bet that nobody is going to be disastisfied after 11/9. if you dont liek the single player.. have a few friends over and go crazy ont the multi player. (im not even goign to try and explain that sexualy)
most people would probably have payed 50 bucks for just the multiplayer aspect... epic and ID figured that out years ago... but does bungie half ass one part in prefference of another.. no its all top notch. shes a giver. and your just to heartless to care about anyone but your self. its easy to sit there at your desk in your basement bitchign about these peopel being @$$hols cause they make more money than you but they all have names and faces and are good hard workign people that didn't deserve to have this happen to them.

and again go f your self :)
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vault 13
Joined 22 Oct 2004
538 comments
Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:32
LUPOS wrote:
vault 13 wrote:
All these bands make s**tloads of money, I don't need to pay money for their crappy cd just so they can get richer.


This is what my friend thinks about the music industry. This is what he thinks of pc game developers. He doesn't buy anything BUT X-Box games because he wants HIS FAVORITE SYSTEM to thrive and to see Sony die. He hasn't bought a PC product ever. And THAT HURTS all involved EVEN the lowly consumer who has to pay more now for video games than ever before. This is more than just Bungie having their game leaked. Games get leaked a month or so before release all the time. (*ahem* Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy) It's about piration and how it ruins the game industry. It's about how each and everyone of these posters who are distraught over the game being leaked are probably using a burned (leaked) copy of Windows XP! Hypocritical?! Well I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth, I'll let you decide how you feel on that situation. You think it's different? It's not. Piration is piration! You want gray area. Think about someone who scratched up their copy of Half-Life, so they decide to pirate a new copy instead of buying a new one.

If you don't buy it and you pirate it, your no better than the people who leaked Halo 2.

And as for Lupos' analogies, they make NO sense! Example: It's like some prick goes to see that new Tim Burton movie at a private screening before I get to see it, it's tainted now.

I bet if Lupos could get his copy of Halo 2, his offical retail box version of Halo 2 from his EB, early he'd do it. He wouldn't wait for 11/9. He wouldn't. I understand not playing the leaked version. I'm not playing it. Most of it is in French. If it was the US version, damn I'd of beaten it by now.

Man, this whole thing is silly. The only reason he cares is because he's been waiting for the game forever. He's selfish, he doesn't care about piration, he doesn't care about the companies losing money. Hell, he's Jewish, he hates paying for anything. It comes with the terrority! (sorry I had to)

So let's just agree I'm right and that if your gonna argue take a stand AGAINS'T PIRATION not just one game you worship! Otherwise don't argue.
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LUPOS
Joined 30 Sep 2004
1422 comments
Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:48
the world isn't black and white mr bush!
things arent just good and evil.
its not that simple, simpel ideas for simple minds. i'm sure the lovely peopel on this boared are sick of seeign the two of us bitchign at each other but it continues anyway.

ok first of all.. bravo on dodging any poitnt i made about bungie not jsut being some group of averge f'usp making crappy games and charging to much for them. seocndly i do download piratred software... i dont have 200 dollars to pay for a copy of windows xp it cost to damn much. thirdly i have never download any game or cd that i actully got any real use out of... i have download several singles and if the option to buy singles still existed at the time i may have payed for them, but im not goign to buy a jefeson starship cd just to own we built this city on rock and roll. the only exception to that was quake 3 which i did play a great deal and by all means shoudl have bought and technically at the time had the money to buy. chalk it up to youthfull indiscretion. as for paying more and more for video games, i have to say. your retarded. peopel payed 60 bucks for star fox, i payed 60 bucks for zero tolerance, and conkers bad fur day came out for 80 if i remebr corectly... regular nes games where 50 bucks in 1988 considering the cost of inflation video games are subsatially cheaper now considering how much more money goes in to making them. a big budget title on average cost around 10 million to make. yo uhtink they spent 10 million dolalrs in 1988 making excite bike? retard.

this isnt about piracy in general... im not suprised this happend, im suprised it happened as early as it did but im not shocked that it got out early. i am however very saddened by it. there are some bands that i thingk put out fantastic music.. whoel albums... when i find one of those i buy it. when somone makes a great game that is all over great, i buy it (an on ocasion i have made the mistake of buying a crap game by falling for the hype machine, stupid brute force). i dont blame people for downlaoding it and playign it for free, its not goign to affect game sales, no one things halo2 is goign to suffer in sales from this, its just sad. you keep tryign to spin this in a different direction, whinign piracy in general, my tenedency to download piratee things. when was th elast time game stores all across the counrtry oepn late at night the day befor ea games coems out to have big mulitplayer parties and hand out copies of the game at midnight? did that happen got san andreas? i didnt hear about it. i dont remebr that ever happening. (not that that menas it hasnt just that "I" dont remember it). This isnt the biggest game of 2004, this isnt the biggest game on xbox, or even this generation, this shoudl be (hopefully) one of the best games ever made, next time somone puts out a list of best games of all tiem there is going to be a new contender in the top ten.

anyone who really apreciates all the troubel bungie has gone through to keep this a secret and all the other things they did to keep the fans happy untill that fatefull day. i love bees didnt bring new peopel to halo 2, it wa sment to entertain the already devoted fans. the weekly updates? these are things doen by good peopel who really apreciate there fans.

there are soem celebrities who act nice in fron of a camera but cant ever be bothered to sign an autograph on the street for a fan. then there are those who genunly apreciate the fact that if nto for there fans they woudlnt have what they do and always take the time to sign autographs for anyone. those peopel are few and far between and deserve higher regard in my opinion.

i dont especially love the counting crows but when my then girl friend made me go to a show we where todl that if we went out back that they would sign autographs and sure enough after standing out there for about half an hour the lead singer came out and not only signed everythign peopel asked him to but stood there and actulyl just tlked with his fans for a good 45minutes or more.

that deserves soem respect.

something you have none of.

as for my judaism agian, go f'yourself you squinty eyed cock bite!

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vault 13
Joined 22 Oct 2004
538 comments
Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:36
Okay okay, with all these low blows around here, it feels like the Clinton presidency. I'll stop arguing if you admit that your just selfish. YOU want Halo 2 not to be ruined so YOU can have the amazing experience that you've been fantasizing about. As much as you say you care about Bungie, which in a way I think you do now, it's really just a cover. You don't care about the all the other companies hurt by piration. You don't care when other games get leaked, however big or small. If San Andreas gets leaked, you'd probably laugh your ass off, but as soon as one of the games you've been waiting for all these days (months?, years?, decades?, no years...), gets defiled as you seem to call it, you get all whiney like Sheeva after a babality finisher. Also if you can afford a $1,000 t.v., you can afford Win XP. If your saying to yourself, Microsoft has lots of money and doesn't get affected by what you call one more person downloading a free copy of Win XP, then Bungie can afford one more person downloading Halo 2.

It doesn't seem like we're all grasping the issues here. The issue here is piration as a whole. Not piration that affects your greedy self. I admit what the guys did, leaking Halo 2 early, sucks. But it happens all the time. My game experience is never going to be tainted with unless someone forces me to watch all of it la Clockwork Orange style.

If your gonna pirate anything, don't complain when your Halo 2 gets pirated. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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vault 13
Joined 22 Oct 2004
538 comments
Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:56
Also, games haven't gotten cheaper in terms of cost to make. They need to sell more units now than before. The only reason games are cheaper is because the dumb cartridges aren't used anymore. If you remember PS1 games were $40 and PS2 are $50. So for all you non math majors, that's a ten dollar increase in price. Price of Diablo 2 and Unreal Tournament on launch day, 30 fricken dollars!!!! But apparently reducing prices didn't solve the piration problem, it actually increased. So actually what we need to do here is NOT pirate. Even if your download a Jefferson Starship or Nelson song or Alien vs. Predator movie, your still keeping the community alive. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.
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