PlayStation 3. Brand New Hardware Hardcore

I would hardly say PS3 was svelte; they looked pretty hefty being wielded at E3.

It still looks like a kitchen appliance.

I think i'm the only one who said it and you where indeed talkign to me, no back peddling mister.



SLIM?! aaaahahahahah...
of the current and next gen consoles the ps3 is the second largest in every aspect, being beaten out by fractions of centimeters on all fronts by the orignal xbox. I'm more than willing to give sony their due when they do somehting right... but be honest man this thing is emense.

if you want to lie to urself at home in your own head thats fine, but atleast have the decency to not purport your delusions as facts to the rest of the world :/
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I notice that pic doesn't include the 360's power brick. The PS3 still looks like it has an internal transformer in these new pictures. Without that, the PS3 would be much smaller. Not just due to the transformer its self, but the cooling systems would also be smaller.

Not saying that makes is prettier or not, but its a bit disingenuous to remove external bricks from the comparison. We have to find space for them as well in our entertainment centres.

meh, at least you can hide the power brick behind the entertainment center...

Heh. I don't know what kind of space you got behind your furniture, but I got a whole mess of optical, compoment, video, audio, speaker, and garrote wire behind there. I can't exactly shove any much else back there. And I want to keep it as neat as possible.

Also, the Gamecube and possibly the Wii have external power bricks. So they bloat up too.

Oh and I think everyone has been potshotting the size and grotesqueness of systems, so I single out the thread,... maybe.

Just making the point that with an external brick you have options, I have plenty of space for mine.

...also, seeing as how power supplies are one of the major sources of heat, and one of the components most likely to fail, even though I LAN and travel with mine a lot, I see an external brick as a minor annoyance with a tremendous, if subtle upside.

It does indeed look that way, but it also LOOKS like it cooks up a delicious lowfat burger in only a few minutes. Until we get conformation one way or the other we are just speculating. Based on what we KNOW, that thing is just as big if not bigger than a 360... all though as its curved like it is its total volume may be less, hard to say without doing way mroe math than i care to try. So untill some crazy website dunks one in water we wont know for sure.

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I mean yeah I could fit a few power bricks two, but the reason they did it was to keep the size down and the heat away. It wasn't to give people placement options. If you can't fit a power supply inside a small formfactor, you've essentially failed. And I'm not excluding Gamecube either! Most entertainment centers have enough z axis space, it's the x an y, the horizontal and vertical that's a problem.

I don't understand...you're (like many on here of late) are confusing motives with results. Wether it was intended to give people replacement options or not matter not at all, the FACT that it does is relevant. You're that commited to an integrated power supply? Any console without one is a failure? I don't get it. Personally, I like the idea of keeping the heat away from my consoles innards. Pretty ridiculous thing to base the success or failure of a console design on if you ask me...

Console design can make or break a system! If it's not hip and sleek enough, people wont want an ugly piece in their house. If it's big and bulky, people won't buy it (look to Japan folks with the X-Box). I mean it may not be the biggest thing to worry about for a system, it does bear weight.

Also, if you say that it's okay to separate pieces of a console, then they should separately house everything and make it super cool and quiet. Yeah that'll work. Having everthing in one box is neat tidy and easy to manage. That really can't be disputed. Whether you have room for it or not, some people don't.

Bah, console design is one thing, making bricks a litmus test is quite another. Japan is an abberation, and that had as much to do with previous brand loyalty, software, and xenophobia.

As to your attempt at pulling a "slippery slope", sorry, doesn't follow here...the strongest arguments can be made for the brick, no reason to look beyond there, though MS' HD-DVD addon could be seen as a bad example.

I think you're making much ado about nothing here.

Okay now look, you want a good idea of what I'm talking about? Take the PS2. It had room INSIDE the console for a hard drive. The parallel here is HD-DVD vs. the PS2 Hard Drive. Or you may substitute the power brick, but as Precious has daftly pointed out, but the HD-DVD is much better example. Now remember when they did the redesign? Without the hard drive? It was no bigger than The Little Engine That Could. That's how a console is supposed to be designed. Not with lots of outside contraptions and tricks to reduce the size.

It is true.
Anyone seen any news on the PlayStation 3 PSU yet?

I'm not trying to start an argument when you're basically making the same point as I am, but the PS2 Slimline did have an external power brick. :-)

Based on what we know, i.e. have seen, then the PS3 is smaller than a 360 because we have seen the 360's power brick.

On another point; having to find space for power bricks is very relevant because of airflow and cooling issues. The number of bricks I have now is just silly with power supplies for my PS2, Gamecube, flat screen, SFF PC, network hub, wireless access point and mouse docking station all in one place.

At least the brick type power supplies are better than the in the plug type of transformer. Those just annoy the hell out of we because I can't get two next to each other in my power strips.