PS3 – No Component Cables or Infra Red

OK, but can you really defend Sony failing to include a HD cable solution? When the 360 did? Cuz I think you ain't got a leg to stand on there. You know I stand solidly against the forces of fanboyism, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while...this IS yet another mistake by Sony. full stop. And at this point Sony needs to avoid even the appearance of errors on their part, Justify it however you wish, and that IS exactly what you attempted to do, it doesn't reflect well.

Agreed. I don't disagree with Sony's decision not to include the appropriate cables for HD entertainment. It's not exactly criminal to ask consumers to spend a little extra for the privilege.

But Sony has been hit with a tidal wave of crap lately, and to be truthful they really need all the + points they can muster. While not boxing HDMI cables is no biggie in reality, it's only compounding marketing problems on a console that appears to many disgruntled fanboys to be a turkey.

My friends were hyped up to the hilt about PS3. But when I informed them of the price of the console alone......

Well, from a certain point of view, it's not that big a deal, really. Personally i'm more ticked off by Wii's controller price - simply because i have no intention what so ever of getting a PS3 before i die.

However, this coming from Sony, after their usual running their mouth about how inferior the competition will be with their "inferior graphics", with them FORCING A 600 DOLLAR SYSTEM DOWN YOUR THROAT, because they felt the need to include a bluray player standard -which hardly "improves" the gaming experience, except for slower loadtimes obviously :)- and an overly expensive CPU -which isn't even optimized for gaming!!!- Yet they cheap out on a freaking cable to come with the package.

It's simple, if they want to do that, they better NOT market the 600 dollar package as a HD gaming/movie option, because it simply is not. The argument about "no need to include HD at launch" is bull as well. They've been doing little else but boasting about HD and stressing the importance of it. And if the real reason is that people don't have HD yet -well, shocker so Nintendo was right not to include it? Ah, of course, they don't sell TV's- then why force a bluray player -useless to 90% of the world population- at launch? Face it, if they "have" to include BR (as a HD movieplaying solution), they have to include the cables to use it as well. You don't buy a car without the wheels either. Or even, a DVD player with just the audio cables. Because a BR player without the cables gives basically just the same experience as a regular DVD player.

Or is this basically Sony saying we actually don't need BR for their "superior" gaming/movie experience, and coming clean like "hey guys, we f**ked you over on BluRay, live with it!" or something along those lines?

Actually, i'll be waiting for the moment when they bundle the PS3 cables with Sony HD-TV's and show their true face. Let's not forget why they included BluRay here people: winning the "HD movie" race and becoming the standard, and selling HD TV's. That's why you're paying 600 bucks, not for a superior gaming experience. And in that sence, yes, Sony is f**king over its customers yet again. They force BR, yet don't include the cables to play games in HD. Ironic.

Because you need the remote to use the bluray...... Doh. Its like the original xbox where you had to pay additionally for the dvd remote for dvd experience

Can you point to where that has been stated by Sony or someone with access to production hardware? The PS2 DVD player was controllable with the dual-shock, I can't see why the DVD/Blu-ray player on the PS3 would require the remote.

And how any people actually used the 360 cables?

While we are at it, why don't they include an S-Video cable, VGA cable, DVI cable, HDMI cable and an optical audio cable? Where do you stop?

OK, so Microsoft put some of that $1.26 billion loss they made in 2005/06 into some leads for the premium pack. Does that mean that Sony has to as well? I'd hardly think you could point to the Xbox division at MS and say it had a great business model for others to follow.

As an aside, why aren't we hearing s**t about Nintendo not putting an S-Video or component cable in with the Wii? There are far more TVs with S-Video inputs out there than there are HD-TVs after all.

Face it, the cables you get with a console or, as Vault 13 pointed out, any other piece of AV hardware are the bare minimum you need to get going. The 360 premium pack is the only exception to that rule that I know of. I'm surprised that Sony are putting a USB cable in with the PS3.

ohh tyrion, give it up mate!.... for f**k sake, stop fighting Sony's battles for them, there big boys.
Sony releasing the PS3 without a HD cable in Japan is just poor, Japan have had HD technology in there panels for ages, they are all up & running. this is just another way of Sony trying to squeeze more money out of people.

consoles have always come with the most basic TV cable included, which was always RF until recently.
when PS2 came out forums were full of people moaning that it came with composite scart and not RF.

Actually to reinforce that statement, Japan has had an analog HD signal since '91. There was some great article online for Spectrum Magazine that outlaid the history of HD in Japan and the US. Japan has had it forever, but the US has been reluctant. Suprisingly Japan doesn't have quite the foothold of HD as one might think. The same goes for the US. I think it's about 5-6 million people would be out of a tv signal if it all went HD tomorrow and analog transmission stopped. So get some facts before you start opinionating.

Also folks, the 360 Core pack had no high definition cables. The system (probably) does not support digital HD cables (HDMI/DVI) and since the HD-DVD add-on is coming out,... I'll let you see where that's going. The 360 only comes with one controller. The wi-fi adapter is not built in. White is the only color choice (PS3 will have 2). You can't jam army men in the drive bay without causing severe damage to the drive and more importantly your main gunner and rocket soldier. it's really a sloppy system.

To piggyback off of Tyrion, who is my new platonic game god, every system since the dawn of man has come with less than the best type of connection for the tv. Cater to the lowest common demoninator. Just think though, the more they pack in, the more the system costs. So you'll just bitch about that then. PLUS, and probably the biggest issue that people are failing to bring up, the standard cables, HD ones included, are CRAP folks! The offical Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft/Sega cables they produce are base level Composite/S-Video/Component. No gold connectors on the tips (better connectivity, stronger signal, brighter, crisper colors), not oxygen free (much less distortion), no twisted pair configuration for signal rejection (Electromagnetic and Radio Frequency Interference), audio side not time corrected (highs and lows travel at different frequencies so they hit the speakers at different times if not included), and I could go on.

The point is, even if you have a HDTV and you buy a PS3 or 360 or whatever, if you use the included or base HD cables, I will kick you for ranting in these forums. I will then slice out your innards and feed them back to you. When you throw up I will sew you back up and feed you your reguritated innards and make you enjoy them. When I am done, I will spit on your remains. Smiley time :o)

I STILL don't know why people are complaining, me and Tyrion found you ultra cheap component and HDMI cables to buy if your poor (if your poor, you shouldn't buy a PS3). It seems like all of you aren't even going to buy a PS3, so you're just arguing to argue. Or worse, to grow a mounting anti-Sony movement.

I will conceit to the fact that Sony has been pushing HD and 1080p resolutions (only attained by HDMI/DVI connections as per the FCC which I THINK Sony will comply with) and to not supply a cable is a little egg on face type situation. But to make a big uproar and federal case out of it, when any smart person would buy an actually high quality Monster Cable (tm) version anyway to ACTUALLY MAKE THE PS3 LOOK LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, is just silly. So stop it folks! STOP THE INSANITY!!!

i rant, therefore I am.

Also, Sony is doing quite an ingenious thing with the Blu-Ray intergration. One format is gonna win anyway, so you're going to end up buying a next gen DVD no matter what eventually. What's so bad about Blu-Ray? In just about every case it's better than HD-DVD players. With one exception, production costs. You should be thanking Sony for hastening the demise of the division of DVD formats. Who wants to wait to see who will win? We want next gen tech now without getting burned.

i'll thank Sony when the devil puts on a big wooly jumper & say's "f**k me it's getting cold in here"...

And as I said, it's also a way that Nintendo are getting more money out of people. I will not go back to playing over composite if I have half a bloody chance!

However, we don't see people arguing about Nintendo f**king over the entire world by only including a composite cable, now do we?

Aw, gosh! Don't I feel special now?

Exactly. You know what else is funny? Playing a brand new game system on a s**tty tv with s**tty cables. A new game system requires a GOOD tv, not one with Fischer Price etched on the side.

OK now you're just plain wrong.

How many people use the 360 cable? Only everyone who doesn't use the VGA cable...

As to the why didn't they, thats just asinine, as I stated in a previous post the composite/component/stereo combo cable is the solution which would allow the broadest possible range of users to hook their console up out of the box. S-Video is nice, but ultimately a marginal improvement over composite, and lacks the HD that the component provides. You're desperately reaching here, just admit it was an error on Sony's part, its not as though its the first one they've ever made. I would also make the argument that there are many people out there with a complete ignorance of S-Video, or who would rather use the composite jacks on the front of their TV or VCR. Regardless, your arguement is more than weak, its sickly.

I'd also point out that the cables you get with any electronic equipment, the 360 included ARE likely to be of minimum, or average quality. The combo cable isn't particularly impessive as far as cables go, its prolly rather cheap, but it works, and thats whats important. As an example, the DVI cable that came with my Dell monitor was serviceable, and served me well for a few years, but when it failed and I went to buy a new one, the replacement was MUCH beefier and higher quality, and cost a pretty penny. I mean all we're talking about here is throwing in what amounts to three extra cheapo RCA plugs and some cheapo coax onto the AV harness. As someone pointed out, the costs involved with this would amount to a miniscule fraction of the cost of the entire unit. The fact that the unit is already bloated and overpriced is whose fault?