Time for some Honesty

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If we are using the war analogy. That's not a win, the allies hadn't "won" WWII at the end of the battle of Britain.


Tyrion has gone on record here as saying that he believes a multi-participant console market, even one including Microsoft, is a good thing.

What he has been unequivocal about is that Microsoft dominance is bad in any market - I'm pretty sure he's said a Sony dominance, would only be marginally better.


I personally believe that everyone should keep that fear in mind. Microsoft "winning" the console war has never looked so possible, with Sony making new mistakes every day... if people forget what a miserable, innovation free market that would result in, they may allow it to happen.


It's a horizontal structure that's needed for dominance in this market - as I said, it's not about games, it's about overall media distribution and the opportunity for royalties and profits that will create. Within a generation, true convergence will be upon us. A single device in the lounge that is used for TV overIP, and as a central music, video and game download and distribution centre. Microsoft wants that box to be theirs/ NewsCorp wants it to be their Sky/Dish Network box, Sony wants it to be a PS4. But if any of them gain dominance - it will limit viewer choice - and harm the creation of new content, new movies, new music and new games.


Nintendo entered the console market in the 70s when they became the distributor fo the Magnavox Odessey in Japan, and began to release console games for a number of formats. They didn't enter the hardware market until 1980 when they released the first Game and Watch, and the home console market 1983.


All of them for the PC market - none for the console market.

Your criteria here are skewed. _ you say Microsoft was in the console market before Xbox because it produced a few boring games and some poor controllers for ANOTHER format. You say Nintendo wasn't in the console market until 1983 even though it HAD been making console games since 1977 and console hardware since 1980.


You can continue to contend it all you like.

But you need to consider emerging economic and political patterns. The door for competiton is closing. Corporations are merging and agglomerating to form fewer, larger, more powerful companies who stifle competition using pure economic power, proscriptive patent applications and semi-legal business practices. With Sony, Newscorp and Microsoft as the major players in this battle - it would take a company like GE to compete... Look at the last two companies to enter this market successfully - Sony and Nintendo - and the market is more polarised now than 13 years ago when Sony threw its hat in the ring.

By good browser I guess you mean a non-IE browser. Sorry, not interested. Tried Firefox a while ago with every intention of using it and not looking back, didn't wow me, more importantly, some sites just plain didn't work. I don't like it when sites don't work. And I don't want multiple browsers.

You're taking the war analogy far too seriously. Not my choice to use it in the first place. But the ambiguity involved in the analogy is one of the problems I had with the statement. One could easily say that a majority share in the console market would constitute a win. I actually made the argument that, for MS, less than that would, long before the 360 even came out. But this is a relatively pointless tangent.


That "record" must be a "B" side or an indie release, becasue I don't recall it. The single I remember getting airplay was:I might have the lyrics wrong, but thats the right tune, maybe he's changed it since, I don't know, but thats the record I remember. I'd hate to think he's recanted publicly, as I doubt his true opinion has underwent such a sea change. But it is neither your, nor is it my place to put such words into tyr's gob. I am curious, if his opinon has changed, wether such is merely capituation to the reality of the situation as opposed to his truly become comfortable with MS presence in the market.

I'm pretty sure the vocals on the aforementioned track were unequi.


Duh, you're a hater. 'Nuff said.


Are you trying to prove my point? Because everything you just said refutes the first sentence in the paragraph... I don't want my box made and controlled by the same people who are providing content. MS has some games and part of a cable news channel. Sony has a media emipre and a membership in the RFsckingIAA for chrissake. Not only that but they manufacture computers, televisions, stereos, and a whole host of other devices they'd like to lock us into proprietarily given the opportunity.


OK they get no credit for distributing, middlemen get no glory, I'll give you the games though...


Obviously I'm ignorant of the minutae of Nintendo history. I was wrong. But you're just being a hater, for your part, not worth discussing the games, I really don't care, as far as I'm concerned for the most part games is games, and the line between console and computers has been fuzzy at times, calling them boring is completly irrelevant though, if not consistent with your anti-MS message. And manufacturing controllers and making computer games is at least as relevant to entering the console market as distributing someone elses product, actually far more so. You're just talking out your ass about the controllers though, there was nothing wrong with any of the Sidewinder pads or joysticks I owned, they compared quite favorably with their console peers, and were a very good PC gamepad option(there were certainly far worse). I suppose your comment could be an honest opinion but I'll call it a baldfaced lie motivated by hate.


Uhm, the last two companies to enter this market successfully were Sony and MS...and Sega was in there after Nintendo as well...they didn't shoot themselves in the foot until a few quite successful consoles in. And Dish Network? Not seeing it...I'll keep my cable, Satellite loses its appeal and economy vs. cable once you need more than 4 TVs hooked up.

But your general point has some validity(should have stuck to making valid points and left off the needless MS bashing at every convienent opportunity), my contention remains however. Should an opening arise, one of those major corporations would step in and attempt to fill the vacuum, the worse the offending monopoly behaves the more eagerly their entry would be recieved.

That's a lazy response. I don't hate Microsoft per se. I would (and in many cases do) dislike any corporation that behaves in an anti-competitive and illegal manner.

I make my living off these companies, but I don't patronise many of them. They are typically soulless, driven by greed and without any social conscience.


You won't have the choice in the long run. Do you really think Microsoft will stay out of content? And even if they do, I don't want my box controlled by the people who are distributing content in a closed environment - I don't like it in CD/DVD based consoles. I'll like it even less once the on-line distribution system becomes exclusive.

The company that controls the distribution method controls the content, even if they are not the creator/publisher.


Yeah, give me some credit. That's what I meant - but completely messed up by typing exactly the wrong thing. But my point spoke to the fact that it was huge corporations, not cuddly Nintendo and SEGA...

And sites don't work because Microsoft achieved browser domination, and then refused to observe standards. Lazy web developers only supported the dominant but non-standard browser - partly because many of them were using Microsoft's own non-standards compliant authoring software.

I'll agree, circle gets the square, ftw.

Could argue its relevance to consoles, but won't. Not being a web pro (I don't make websites, or muck about with anything similar) you'll have to excuse me for using what functions and discarding what doesn't as a matter of convience, the actual situation on the ground (in the web?) being what it is. Yes I'm sure Front Page is crap. And yes, everyone agrees here that MS is not a model corporate citizen.

Todd...dude, you say its raining, but this yellow fluid running down my leg is quite warm...And whats that in your hand?!?

Don't be shy, embrace the hate...

Its not even something you have to be ashamed of, Lord knows MS has cheezed enough people off in this world. But don't deny it, s'truth. You emit MS hate rays throughout the electromagnetic spectrum most of the time.

And its not lazy, its concise, if I was lazy that would have been the entire post. (I was tempted) If you're listening to Rod Todd Radio, you're hearing All the MS Hate Hitz, All the Time. Besides, what exactly would a non-lazy response to "I think everyone should remember to fear MS." be? I thought "Duh, you hate those guys." was adequate to express my counter-point. I'll write a longer sentence saying the same thing to make you happy though.

Of course you want people to fear MS you have an intense dislike for them, and have shown no reluctance to express this in the past, what would stop you now?

I still think "Duh, you're a hater." is punchier...