New Sonic Spin-off Causes Fanboy Uproar – First Details, Screens

Shadow takes lead. With an Uzi.

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Sega has caused something of a ripple in the usually glassy waters of its fanbase, showing a new game in the Sonic the Hedgehog series. The firm has elected to cast Shadow the Hedgehog in the lead role.

The main bone of contention seems to be the fact that Shadow, without question the most interesting character to be offered up in the series to date, comes equipped with a gun.

The gameplay mechanic, from a trailer shown publicly yesterday at a pre GDC event, the new and as yet untitled game is essentially a Sonic Team take on Ratchet and Clank, to be made available for Xbox and PlayStation 2.

SPOnG really doesn’t see the issue with the revised game mechanic, and is somewhat surprised by the backlash as seen on some Sega boards. Although the concept is clearly lifted from the Ratchet series, arguments that Sonic Team is looking to target a more mature audience seem somewhat off the mark.

The addition of firearms merely expands the gameplay possibilities available to the developers, breathing life into what was becoming a stagnant 3D Sonic platform run. It’s also worth pointing out that gunfire does not lead directly to bloodshed in the world of videogames.
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Joji 9 Mar 2005 15:41
1/5
So this explains what that Sega questionaire was about a while ago. Shadow the Hedgehog appeared on it as an option. I think this is good for Sega and fans because the constant Sonic titles were getting stale. This isn't the first time mind because Knuckles also had a game on the MD.

Some may not be happy but I think Sega are good at what they do and we have little to worry about (cough..! Shinobi ..cough.). Lets hope they pull it off.
Nosce 9 Mar 2005 17:54
2/5
This looks like a quite interesting prospect. As long as they don't pull a Sonic Heroes on us it's fine by me.

It's been over a decade since Sonic the Hedgehog was first released, and it's nice to see Sega try something new with it's characters.

Here's a link to the video clicky clicky
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Dreadknux 10 Mar 2005 10:29
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New Sonic Spin-off Causes Fanboy Uproar


I think you'll find the very existence of a Shadow game is the RESULT of fanboys. I don't think any fanboys are unhappy about this decision.

The point is, it bastardises the series completely. I see a problem when this new game only looks set to be a boring spinoff game that looks (and will probably play) as dull as the character starring in it. Never mind the fact that Sonic is all about creating new platforming ideas, not stealing from other games (platform or otherwise), like GTA.

I can see the American SEGA execs now: "We have a bad boy... let's give him a gun! Yeah, we sell million copy!" TBH, I'm worried it's taken them this long to sellout to such a concept as GTA.

Bearing in mind everyone's sick to the stomach of Shadow, except for those people who aren't fans and fanboys. Heck, even the Shadow fans think he should have just died. =i

Still, at least this isn't the new Sonic game Yuji Naka was banging on about. I can sleep easy and forget this "lowest common denominator" game ever happened.

Joji wrote:
So this explains what that Sega questionaire was about a while ago. Shadow the Hedgehog appeared on it as an option. I think this is good for Sega and fans because the constant Sonic titles were getting stale. This isn't the first time mind because Knuckles also had a game on the MD.

Actually, if you think about it, this game has been in development for much longer than it appears, so any survey wouldn't have made the slightest shred of difference. :P I could hardly see "Tails Adventure: Punishment of Pain" on my screens, lol. XD

And yeah, Knuckles Chaotix was hardly stellar anyway. I have a hunch that Sonic Team Japan have little to do with this, considering the backwards step to Sonic Adventure 2 "straight line" levels, the recognisable SA2-ish pseudo-sickly-RAWK soundtrack, the fact that Sonic Team USA developed SA2 in its entirety (overseen by Yuji Naka and some Japan staff) and the concept of Shadow + Gun being totally American. :P
NiktheGreek 10 Mar 2005 12:44
4/5
Svend Joscelyne wrote:
New Sonic Spin-off Causes Fanboy Uproar


I think you'll find the very existence of a Shadow game is the RESULT of fanboys. I don't think any fanboys are unhappy about this decision.

They meant Sonic fanboys, and there's a lot of fans upset about this. Check out Sonic Cult.

The point is, it bastardises the series completely. I see a problem when this new game only looks set to be a boring spinoff game that looks (and will probably play) as dull as the character starring in it. Never mind the fact that Sonic is all about creating new platforming ideas, not stealing from other games (platform or otherwise), like GTA.

What is it with everyone and the GTA references? GTA is wildly popular and does feature guns, but for crying out loud we have had guns in games for years. Shadow won't even be the first Sonic character armed with a gun.

I can see the American SEGA execs now: "We have a bad boy... let's give him a gun! Yeah, we sell million copy!" TBH, I'm worried it's taken them this long to sellout to such a concept as GTA.

I'd say the concept has far more in common with the likes of Devil May Cry or even Ratchet & Clank than GTA.

Bearing in mind everyone's sick to the stomach of Shadow, except for those people who aren't fans and fanboys. Heck, even the Shadow fans think he should have just died. =i

I can't think of a better time to give him some character development and make him interesting.

Still, at least this isn't the new Sonic game Yuji Naka was banging on about. I can sleep easy and forget this "lowest common denominator" game ever happened.

My guess is that the charts aren't going to allow you to, if this is released on more than one console.

Joji wrote:
So this explains what that Sega questionaire was about a while ago. Shadow the Hedgehog appeared on it as an option. I think this is good for Sega and fans because the constant Sonic titles were getting stale. This isn't the first time mind because Knuckles also had a game on the MD.

Actually, if you think about it, this game has been in development for much longer than it appears, so any survey wouldn't have made the slightest shred of difference. :P I could hardly see "Tails Adventure: Punishment of Pain" on my screens, lol. XD

Or they could well have been checking public interest, in order to see if it was the right time to make an announcement.

And yeah, Knuckles Chaotix was hardly stellar anyway. I have a hunch that Sonic Team Japan have little to do with this, considering the backwards step to Sonic Adventure 2 "straight line" levels, the recognisable SA2-ish pseudo-sickly-RAWK soundtrack, the fact that Sonic Team USA developed SA2 in its entirety (overseen by Yuji Naka and some Japan staff) and the concept of Shadow + Gun being totally American. :P

I wish everybody would stop banging on about the bloody gun and concentrate on the rest of the video. After Sonic Heroes, the majority of Sonic fans that I talked to said they'd prefer a return to Sonic Adventure 2's main stages, without any of the hunting or shooting stages. This new game looks mainly to be about the platforming, which is what people asked for.
Dreadknux 10 Mar 2005 14:02
5/5
NiktheGreek wrote:
They meant Sonic fanboys, and there's a lot of fans upset about this. Check out Sonic Cult.

I know they meant Sonic fans in their title. Which is quite misrepresentational. My point was it was Sonic fanboys (read: "Sawnik!2121 Ansf teh Shadow!11!1one!") who made this game possible in the first place. :i

Ironic, I'd have thought Shadow with a gun would go down a storm at Sonic CulT.

NiktheGreek wrote:
What is it with everyone and the GTA references? GTA is wildly popular and does feature guns, but for crying out loud we have had guns in games for years. Shadow won't even be the first Sonic character armed with a gun.

Note my point. "Bad Boy" gets "Gun". Blows stuff up. End Game. The difference is the "with a gun" part. All other Sonic characters have had weapons, but not guns. Not to mention the fact that Shadow's the first Sonic character to have a GUN (as in, not built into himself/his vehicles, and not as a form of built-in self defence) is most worrying. Again, it's the ethics of it that completely shoves the game (and series if its not careful) from a decent all-ages (kids and adults alike) series to a depressing 'hip' "it's cool to blow stuff up, yeah, I'm gonna buy a gun now!" preteen generation. You understand of course that the proportion of kids recieving GTA as opposed to adults who actually bought the games for themselves is seriously disproportionate in favour of the former?

NiktheGreek wrote:
I'd say the concept has far more in common with the likes of Devil May Cry or even Ratchet & Clank than GTA.

The fact is the series doesn't need it. I'd sooner see a decent use of gameplay using different forms of Chaos Control-esque powers - that could easily make the game its own rather than a game that's following the crowd. Sonic sets its own platforming standards, not conforming to its own. There are many inventive ways to push the gameplay using Shadow rather than - a - gun *yawn*.

NiktheGreek wrote:
I can't think of a better time to give him some character development and make him interesting.

If anything, I'm hoping this game will at least settle something about his story. Then he can just bugger off back to his crater-shaped grave again. Seriously, he's outstayed his welcome.

And what's this? "Choose to be Hero or Villain"? It's like it's 2001 all over again. I thought we were supposed to be going forwards not backwards. AND there's a good chance that, with this "original" gameplay mechanic, that again nothing will be answered much. It's really getting old to see the same mumbling sulky git go on about how "1337" he is and about his past, when it should have been covered in SA2.

NiktheGreek wrote:
My guess is that the charts aren't going to allow you to, if this is released on more than one console.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling your comment (and my assumption/fears) are right on this one.

NiktheGreek wrote:
I wish everybody would stop banging on about the bloody gun and concentrate on the rest of the video. After Sonic Heroes, the majority of Sonic fans that I talked to said they'd prefer a return to Sonic Adventure 2's main stages, without any of the hunting or shooting stages. This new game looks mainly to be about the platforming, which is what people asked for.


I understand that you're trying to be optimistic, but it's very hard to look past the gun when there really is nothing else in the video. The only other thing that's in that video is a few charge moves (Chaos Control-y). Doesn't really account to anything does it?

I believe when people refer to Sonic Adventure 2, they are 99.9% referring to the sole level that does it any justice: the secret Green Hill stage. I know I certainly didn't ask for "straight line" levels again, just who exactly have you been talking to? No, this isn't what 'we' (if I have to use that pronoun) asked for at all. It all looks like some twisted fangame; some demented Sonic/Shadow fanboy's "game idea" that was probably submitted to SEGA. Understand that the actual game concept is fanboyish, not the outrage that Spong so wittingly describes.
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