Nintendo: 2009 and Something for the Hardcore?

What a cop out from nintendo, yeah next year Nintendo bring syou the hardcore from 3rd party devs, where the hell is Nintendo hardcore offering, wheres Mazza, Zelda, Metroid (good one), wheres the almost promise of pilot wings?

maybe Wii music will hit home as its the first Ninty title to flop in a long long time, maybe they can see taht the "casuals" are good but the real gamers are bored of nintendos bollox. i stood there and defended the Wii before launch i gave them a chance and then i got stiffed with animal crossing remakes and gamecube to Wii titles even zelda isnt this gen its a cube title.

SS4 if you want to have a go at onyone this gen have a go at Nintendo, at least MS and Sony are offering real games along with the casual markets shovelware.

There one thing wrong with this post and i'll show by asking this. Define "real game". I'll help with that...using any kind of qualitative property only will show the impossiblity to define it because those will all be based on subjectivity. I mean, i call halo and gears of war casual because real shooter fans play TFC and Tribes. Am i right? no offcourse not.

Also, Wiimusic is actually a genius game. What other game gives you the possibility to make a techno remix of chariots of fire including a harp, flute and sitar...really which one?

Sure the game isn't selling good now, but you only say that because your memory resembles swiss chees with extra holes. The DS and Wii have proven many many times that its games sell great over the long haul. Those games started really selling a couple of months after their release. Hell, even New Super Mario Brothers sold the most in the year after it was released. Stating something bombed because it didn't sell s**tload of copies in the first month only show the very aniquated state of the pseudo-hardcore thinking.

Also, this very sour atmosphere actually came into the making after the releases of Brawl and Mario Kart (which was this year, remember?) and Ninty's bad E3 showing. The america-centered journalism weant into berserk mode and completely overlooked anything good that is coming for the Wii this end of year period. Sure none of them are "high-profile marketed from the wazooh" games, but they sure are unique compared to the generic hollywood summerblockbuster like cookiecutter games the other ones are getting (barring LBP, Braid and Potatapon2 or something if this is coming out this year and a few more). My friend, who owns all consoles hasn't bought a single game this half year for any of them. Part because he's addicted to WoW and part because he doesn't like to play shooter games on a console.

I got Wiimusic, Tales of Symphonia 2, Trauma Center: New Blood and considering Disaster on my list (next to a couple of PC-games). but then you also got Deadly Creatures, Monster lab and some other possible gems. It's not Nintendo's fault you're a narrow-minded t**t who couldn't see a unique game if it would rape you in the ass. You only got yourself to blame with your only reading narrow-minded reporting and holding to absurd self-fullfilling prophecies.

And really Spong...missing the Sin of Punishment 2 announcement...

Oh please, Nintendo have turned so casual now that they've forgotten what its like to be hardcore. Nintendo really are taking the piss now with games like Wii Music and GameCube games with updated controls. Its like saying 'We know you bought these games years ago, but they were broken with their controls. If you get them now you'll get them complete with perfect controls'. I had Metroid Prime on GameCube... why would I want it again? Its basically their way of making crappy casual games and porting their 'classics' so they don't have to spend loads of money. The fact that a Sega game is as hardcore as people will get speaks volumes.

Bloody hell, I can't believe I'm still hearing this stuff, all you guys do is whine and whine. There is nothing 'casual' happening on the Wii that didn't happen on the ps2 before it. The most popular console always collects the most dross, if it was the PS3 it would be the same.
Nintendo is putting out it's 'classic' games (mario, zelda etc) at exactly the same rate as it's always done and the quality hasn't exactly dropped.

At least it's actually got some orginal games compared to the ps3 which has almost nothing original on it.

If you want 'hardcore' (whatever that means - I assume it's highly detailed online worlds) get a PC. FPS's are a lot better with a mouse and the graphics will always be better than a console. If you want fun arcade games get a wii. People seem to forget how intense a game of something like Mario Strikers actually is.

I'm sorry, but where did I mention the PS2? I am well aware of the fact that the PS2 had a lot of casual games, but it also had s**t loads of AAA titles like Resident Evil 4, Final Fantasy X, God of War 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Gran Turismo 4, Tekken 5, GTA: Vice City, to name but a few.

Now where the Wii is concerned it is casual crap and nothing else. We have Carnival games, cooking games, f**king fitness games... these pieces of crap shouldn't be considered 'games' because they are simply shoved out of the door to make a quick buck from a market that buys 2-3 games and then doesn't bother again.

Now, what original games does it have exactly? Mario no.938? Zelda no.425 (that's a GameCube port)? Enlighen me here? Because the PS3 has games like Mirror's Edge which are more innovative than any s**tty cooking game that gets released on that casual, game industry ruining piece of s**te!

And yes, Nintendo's quality has dropped. In fact, they seem to have completely forgotten what a hardcore gamer is..

And while i'm on it, a hardcore gamer is someone who plays games regulary, knows the latest releases, looks at things like E3, knows which games have good reps, plays games to death to unlock 100% trophies on WipEout HD. I am a hardcore gamer, and I used to love Nintendo. In fact I stuck with them through the GameCube years where they were hardcore, but now they are ignoring their fans and are more interested in shoving their fitness regimes into nursing homes and having Mario Party 99 out at party's. And as for Wii Music... wow, innovation! Let's all put down out guitars for World Tour, ignore Misery Business and play Twinkle Twinkle on Wii Music ;)

And while you'r on the subject of Mario Strikers:

Madden NFL 09 > FIFA 09 > Pro Evo > That crappy Tecmo footie game on the Sega Mega Drive from around 1993 > Internet Flash footie game > Mario Strikers

You selfish egoïstic bastard...so you would rather people not have the glorious expercience of playing Pikmin or Metroid Prime with great controls for the first time just for the sake so you have a stupid argument?

So you bought and played the games allready...so what! The Wii userbase is allready almost double of the Gamecube one, that's potentially almost as much people who could have bought pikmin or Metrid Prime but didn't. Now not only do they get the chance but they get some nice better controls too. Also, Nintendo is actually remaking Donkey Jungle Beats into a more classical platformer with more classical controls.

Gentlemen, I present to you, pseudo-hardcore gamer specimen #2. Probably has not played any of the games he mentions which "suck" in his opinion, but they must suck offcourse, because they have "bad reps" which probably based off of people talking on the internet (who are offcourse a fringe) who never played these games too.

Now let's ask him what a "hardcore game" is and watch him completly to define it.

Unfortunately I have, because one of my best friends has a Wii. And the college that I left in the summer had a Wii in its games room and crap like Wii Sports and Mario and Sonic were all the rage.

Want a hardcore game? Gears of War 2.

Sorry, you fail, the Bureau of Arbitrary Defining Stuff No One Bothered To Define Stuff Yet has just arbitrarly defined GoW2 as casual.
GoW2 screams more "Look how good i'm emulating the average Michael Bay summer action flick!!!!" then "Look at me expanding gaming innovation and market".

In short, you didn't answer the question and now i made GoW2 casual, have fun being "hardcore" though.

Wow, you're one of those people who like to stick their dick up Miyamoto's ass then? Ok, if you want to get picky, I shall answer your question, but first, I must say that GoW 2 is hardcore. While GoW 2 doesn't exactly push innovation through the roof, neither do 99% of titles on the Wii. Carnival and cooking games are just pathetic. But as you, for some reason, think GoW 2 its casual, il'll mention something else.

Now to your original question. How about Metal Gear Solid 4? The difference between a casual and hardcore game is the following: Casual games are usually short, relatively easy games that can be played in bursts of 10-20 mins at a time and don't require you to keep going back regulary. A hardcore game is one that you can play for hours on end, can have a solid difficulty, (with a bit of luck) long, and one that requires you to sink a lot of time into playing, hence MGS4.

Good enough answer? Or perhaps you'd like to say that I still haven't answered it properly?

Just read the last post and had to step in, your arguement is totally flawed and uneducated.

I own GoW 1&2 and they are probably the best example of a casual game ever released, very linear and let's face it they don't require much brain power to play. I still absolutely love both games don't get me wrong but probably the worst example you could have used.
Also I think everyone should praise Miyamoto for his work throughout the years, let's take Mario Galaxy for example, you can play that for hours on end, has a solid difficulty level and very long.

I have owed pretty much every system since the ZX spectrum came out and I love each one on their own merits.

Actually, you just described the entire video game industry...and this is a argument how?


Quite frankly, MGS4 is so constructed, it only allows you to play it in bursts of 10-20 minutes before it hits you with some redundant movie. If hardcore games are so-called "long" then 99% of every game that came out in the last 5 years is casual. Really, Cod4, done in 6 hours, GoW2, doable in 6 hours, Fable 2, 12-15 hours, very short for a rpg.

But do not distress if your own stupid short-sighted definition of a hardcore game has just back-fired into your face like a nuke. You actually did not describe the difference between casual and hardcore games but the difference between handheld and console games. The former benefitting far more from games that can be played in bursts of 10-20 minutes. And also I will now claim Halo being the reason why shooter-games are becoming so piss-easy these days. With their casual-friendly re-generating health and crap.

So no, you did not answer it well, you answered it very poorly. Let me tell you the problem why you (and especially you) can not answer that question good. It's because you cannot answer that question with any kind of qualitative terms. If i suddenly played Wiimusic in bursts of 3 hours (which i do!) it will have leaped out of the your casual game definition and will be hardcore and you can't do anything about it because that's the definition you gave to it.

So yeah, Shigsy's arse is a really nice spot to put my dick in but your skull doesn't seem to be a good place to have a brain in.

There is no such thing as a hardcore game. Really, it's that simple. There is, however, a such thing as a hardcore player. A hardcore player is someone who takes what he does seriously, and a player who views his game(s) as a casual past-time can be defined as a casual player. Furthermore, let me express how all words were once left to arbitrary judgement before society gave them an official definition.