Microsoft Snows Xbox 360 European Hardware Numbers

Give us hard figures! Please?

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Shane Kim
While Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg thinks Sony stopping the PR snow jobs is a good idea, the rest of his company apparently doesn't think it should do the same. Shane Kim, corporate VP of Microsoft and head of the company's games studios, has been quibbling about the size of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360's installed bases in Europe.

When it was put to Kim in an interview that Microsoft is being "rocked" (we think that's a bad thing) by the PS3 in Europe, Kim came back with, "Really?"

The interviewer then told him,"That's what the news says”, to which Kim retorted, "That's what the Sony guys say."

Asked if he was actually disputing the numbers, Kim rolled out some spiel about how well the 360 is doing then said of the GTA IV launch, "I haven't seen any official statements from European retailers, but you saw the GameStop stuff."

Chart-Track details its own audited figures for UK software sales by platform on a weekly basis. Okay, you have to pay for the broken down figures, but we imagine that payment is not beyond Microsoft's budget.

Also, from an internal communication point of view.... Kim apparently missed Microsoft's European arm dishing up figures for GTA IV in the UK.

Aside from that, he was actually being asked about the size of Microsoft's base in Europe rather than how well GTA IV did on each system. On that question, he still did not give us any hard figures that contradict Sony's claim that it has now surpassed the user-base of the 360 with the PS3 in Europe.

Kim isn't the only Microsoft man to call into dispute Sony's announced lead in the console wars over here. Recently Aaron Greenberg (director of product management for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live and the very chap who told Sony to stop the snow jobs) said he thought Sony claiming the lead was "not based on actual data".

Still, it must all be academic as far as Kim's concerned, because he thinks "it's way too early" to call a winner in this generation's console war. When can we call it? "When somebody's well on their way to reaching 100 million units", apparently.

Again, a little internal communication at Microsoft might at least keep the snow jobs on message. On May 15th this year, Don Mattrick, senior VP of the Interactive Entertainment Business in the Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft (phew!) said, "History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle." This was related to news that it had... sold 10 million Xbox 360s in North America.

So, in spite of his own company's claims clashing with his assertion, Kim still feels he can say, “The winner of last generation isn't the winner of this generation, they're in third.”

Too early to call a winner, but not too early to call a loser?

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SuperSaiyan4 21 May 2008 10:49
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Do we really need a contest on who the winner is in the hardware sales? If Microsoft want it so badly then they should have done better with the hardware, sure they have the software support but they could always do better.
deleted 21 May 2008 12:06
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The Only thing that would match a consoel company admitting true sales and comparison to competitors is the second coming of Jebus! frankly i couldnt give a s**t how many Megadrives were sold in week 95 compared to total RROD 360`s on a basis of how many GTA4 on PS3 were sold, based on 64DD production costs, its all b******s figures that YES do mean something, but to the consumer, if the console is selling and games are made then thats all that matters, i hope PS3 and 360 both sell the same amount at the end that way both my consoles were not bought in vain.
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tyrion 21 May 2008 13:46
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haritori wrote:
i hope PS3 and 360 both sell the same amount at the end that way both my consoles were not bought in vain.

It's balanced view points like this that are giving gamers a bad name!
Daz 21 May 2008 13:51
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isn't Nintendo winning this console war anyway?
OptimusP 21 May 2008 16:02
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Hasn't the DS reached 100 million yet? No really...
PreciousRoi 22 May 2008 01:41
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Apparently both MS and Sony have agreed to ignore Nintendo in their little pissing contest.

I must say, that the interviewer didn't frame his question very well, if he was looking for an honest, straight, unspun answer...what is the objective definition of being "rocked"? The question appears to emanate from a Sony fanboy cleverly disguised as a journalist, and displaying a small degree of restraint.

From this starting point its no surprise where it leads...
will 27 May 2008 19:29
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Sony did not say that the ps3 overtook the xbox 360 installed base, it said that it outsold the 360 in certain time limit. sony said that from march 2007 to may 6th 2008 the ps3 sold more units than the 360 did from its release in europe to may 6th 2008.
tyrion 28 May 2008 07:39
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will wrote:
Sony did not say that the ps3 overtook the xbox 360 installed base, it said that it outsold the 360 in certain time limit. sony said that from march 2007 to may 6th 2008 the ps3 sold more units than the 360 did from its release in europe to may 6th 2008.

I'll let the following quote speak for its self.
David Reeves wrote:
Even with the latest (Xbox 360) price drop I am delighted to be able to announce today that we have sold more PS3s throughout Europe than Xbox 360 even though they launched 16 months before PS3.

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