Xbox 360 Discs Won't Hold GTA V?

Rockstar co-founder raises concerns over Xbox 360 disc space

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Xbox 360 Discs Won't Hold GTA V?
Rockstar co-founder and president, Sam Houser, has spoken about his concerns about the disc-space available for the Xbox 360. He has intimated that there might not be enough room on one of the discs for the next instalment in the Grand Theft Auto series.

Speaking in an interview, Houser said:

“One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc.

“I think that the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about. I can think of various ways they can do it. Hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution.”


Houser's right when he states that the issue is affecting other games. It has been claimed that the size of a DVD was problematic for the devs over at Bizarre making Project Gotham Racing 4, while Epic's VP, Mark Rein, has stated in the past that the 360 version of Unreal Tournament III may not have as much content as the PS3 and PC versions due to storage limitations.

A DVD holds up to 9GB of information, while a dual-layered Blu-ray disc holds up to 50GB.

Of course, going by the length of time between San Andreas and GTA IV, we're probably looking at four years before the next full GTA game hits. It's not unreasonable to think we'll be into the life cycle of a new Xbox by that point.

Houser also mentioned the subtle differences between the graphics of GTA IV on the PS3 and 360, saying (paradoxically), “We're at a point now where the games pretty much look identical side by side. There's a slight difference in the way they look. I think that's to do with really low-level technical stuff that I'm not the guy to explain. The 360 games have a certain look to them; PS3 games have a certain look to them. I like the way [the PS3] renders. There's a certain kind of softness without being blurry -- some warmth to it -- and then there's a certain more clinical element to how the 360 looks.”

For more on GTA IV, check out SPOnG's latest hands-on.

Source: 1UP

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grunt 24 Apr 2008 17:33
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SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
Ok firstly EPIC's Mark has officially stated that not only will UT3 be on the disc but ALL the content the PS3 and PC has had including some extra stuff AND will look better on the 360 version...On ONE disc.

At present there still is NO game on the PS3 that beats 360 games because of the space that is available, people are still waiting and when a developer says 'Wow we need more than 50gb...' What the problem is here is you are giving too much space for the developers to play with meaning longer waiting time for games.

Sure I will hold up my hands and say yep DVD 9 discs are in most cases not all that for gaming this gen but considering what developers are able to do thus far 360 games are looking pretty damn good take Gears of war for example and COD4 and PGR4.

Then look at Gears of war 2 and other great exclusives out this year on the DVD 9 disc.

Only 1 Japanese developer has needed 4 discs but I personally dont see a problem in swapping discs especially when you can play for like 10hrs or more on each disc.

Overall its upto the developers and Microsoft to sit down and talk about this but if I remember correctly a year or 2 ago there was a highly impressive game that was just an example of a very small level that actually fitted on a FLOPPY DISC! It only took like a 128kb or so in space.

Also lets not forget XNA and future tools that could mean highly impressive games using less space.

you are 100p.c wrong.do u ever make a game in your life.u just wrote that developer was telling a lie of needing more space.u dont how much they had problem with 360 gta to make for not having enough space.i know u have a 360 but at least respect what the game guy said about space problem.
Sally 24 Apr 2008 17:58
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a modest color texture tile of 1024^2 pixels you can easily have a file size of 1.5mb and that's just for color - not vertex, normal, occlusion or whatever shader you can wag your finger at. then you've got different sizes of the same texture for different LoD

modern games in realistic setting could easily fly past a dozen gigs without even thinking about audio, meshes or anything else.

procedural texture would help out a bit in future but for some stuff you just can't get away from massive raster texture data
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deleted 24 Apr 2008 18:03
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Need More Storage end of.

but it doesnt matter because it wont be a requirement until the next batch of consoles, sony just got lucky the HD war could of gone either way and yes they would have large storage but they would of lost fistfulls of cash on the bluray front, and by the sounds of things 50GB wont be wnough in 5years either, whats needed is 100GB Bluray and Terrabyte HDD. then devs can stop moaning about storage and start monaing about how rubbish it is to make Wii games again.
tyrion 25 Apr 2008 08:22
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haritori wrote:
whats needed is 100GB Bluray and Terrabyte HDD.

There are already proof of concept 200GB Blu-ray discs and you can get 1TB drives now in 3.5" form factor.

My goodness, the future is here now! Where's my flying car?
somebody 15 May 2008 15:54
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Ok first off PS3 beats 360 by long shot, yes 360 had a really good run but i think its time for the PS3 to haves its own. 50GB of memory and not even a third of it is being used if you ask me imagine what the new GTA would look like and imagine how much more you can have if you put time and patience into creating the game of all games.
deleted 15 May 2008 16:53
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somebody wrote:
Ok first off PS3 beats 360 by long shot, yes 360 had a really good run but i think its time for the PS3 to haves its own. 50GB of memory and not even a third of it is being used if you ask me imagine what the new GTA would look like and imagine how much more you can have if you put time and patience into creating the game of all games.


Yes, but i isnt going to happen, Devs would rather sell across 2 platforms - more sales than have exclusive better looking title with less revenue (save for maybe Konami and Square???) so although PS3 may be more powerfula nd capable of more it just isnt going to happen, like a previous posting points out thois gen is starting to show that content is key and not power!
Nate J 9 Jun 2008 15:52
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Well I'm just going to throw out there PS3 is nothing compared to 360 and it's only cause, there is always more feature to the 360 ( or Xbox) then the PS2 or PS3 and someone said that PS3 has a 50GB well my 360 has 80GB it is the elite version all black not the white BS.

And what i mean by extra feature is in one of the games Gauntlet Dark Legacy when you get the hammer or anti-death you can switch them on or off in Xbox but on PS2 you cant switch them on or off they are always on, and let me remind you Xbox came out with the internal hard drive, On the PS2 you had to save on a memories card or you lost everything you did in the games meaning you had to go out and buy 2 or 3 cards just to save what you did, and Xbox and Xbox 360 has had it from the get-go making it one less thing you had to buy to enjoy your game play. thank you and i'm just going to leave it with Xbox is the best.
Horatio 9 Jun 2008 17:17
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Nate J wrote:
Well I'm just going to throw out there PS3 is nothing compared to 360 and it's only cause, there is always more feature to the 360 ( or Xbox) then the PS2 or PS3 and someone said that PS3 has a 50GB well my 360 has 80GB it is the elite version all black not the white BS.

And what i mean by extra feature is in one of the games Gauntlet Dark Legacy when you get the hammer or anti-death you can switch them on or off in Xbox but on PS2 you cant switch them on or off they are always on, and let me remind you Xbox came out with the internal hard drive, On the PS2 you had to save on a memories card or you lost everything you did in the games meaning you had to go out and buy 2 or 3 cards just to save what you did, and Xbox and Xbox 360 has had it from the get-go making it one less thing you had to buy to enjoy your game play. thank you and i'm just going to leave it with Xbox is the best.


Christ, do you go the same school as SS4? You need to stop playing games and learn how to form sentences! Once you've done that you could come back and articulate the above garbage better, but you'll still be talking out of your $%^&

For the record, a bug in a poor game released on multiple systems does not make the host console poor. And I had a PS2 with about 20 games and I somehow managed with only a single memory card... and I enjoyed it too, not once thinking that I might need a hard drive. And for god's sake, get your facts straight about hard disk sizes if you're going to make the effort to type.
schnide 10 Jun 2008 11:33
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In the beginning, God said "Let there be Pong." And it was good, for a while.

Then man said "God, we need a bit better graphics than this. Can you sort us out with some more advanced hardware?"

And so God created the Atari Jaguar, although no-one really likes to talk about that. Then man said "God, come on, seriously. Mankind's a bit primitive and motivated by status and greed - how about you give us a multi-billion dollar hardware war so we can all fight about whether your console's better than mine?"

And lo, it was done. And it was - well, good in a sense, because we all know that competition drives things forward, even if not always evenly across the geographic territories. Here in the West for instance we seldom get our hands on those nice limited editions consoles, whereas in Japan for example, they don't get the luxury of paying anywhere near as much as we do for exactly the same things.

Nevertheless, the reasons for the seemingly endless 'generation wars' and legions of fanboys are several:

- Quite simply, there is a s**tload of money at stake. Firstly on behalf of the manufacturers, developers and distributors. Some peoples livelihoods, and other people's next addition to their Ferrari collection, rely on the console of their choice doing well. It's in their interest to make sure that format succeeds, so they'll promote it endlessly - whether through using genuine information, cheap PR stunts or just outright lying or manipulation of statistics.

- Secondly, there's the money invested by the consumer (or player, if you'd rather pretend you're not part of the capitalist machine). These people pay what is often a lot of money for a particular console, not including the games, extra joypads, memory cards, AV leads and sensory feedback wetsuits on top. So when they do this, they also want to make sure that their investment isn't wasted which creates an instinctive bias and again causes them to tout the features of their console over the ones they didn't buy.

- Finally, players are often geeks. Sometimes it doesn't show, sometimes they manage to escape it when they hit their twenties and discover alcohol - or in rare occasions, that mystery race known as "women." And sometimes they're so geeked up that they wear it as a badge of honour hoping that they'll appear so immersed as to become hardcore - as if that's good in the same way that some porn is hardcore. Do not confuse things in this way. They are very, very much at opposite ends of the spectrum - although these people often have an interest in both of these things. (Note to self: See if wet-with-wii.com is taken). And this is where your average fanboy originates, again using the same kind of tactics you saw two paragraphs ago. However, without any kind of corporate backing or responsibility and with the power of the internet at their disposal, their claims become even wilder, such as:

"The red ring of death is a GOOD thing. When it flashes, I can finally imagine what it's like to go to a real disco."

"I don't care that all my PS3 games crash. All the glitches just go to show that it's so powerful, only aliens and beings from the future are capable of programming for it!"

"The Wii isn't just a gimmicky kids toy you know." (It is, kids)

Simply put, by absorbing themselves so much into the culture of gaming, their console of choice forms part of their identity. And when someone's identity is challenged, they will defend it to the death. Despite, mainly, the arrival of the Playstation brand, gaming never has and never will be truly cool. We all know this, and we try harder and harder to pretend it isn't true.

For these reasons, the same old arguments will continue to be played throughout each successive generation. Each console has it's merits, it also has it's drawbacks, and each will, equally, always have an endless supply of kids in the playground and forum contributors to argue them all out.

And SuperSaiyan4 will still be completely unable to form a coherent argument or sentence.
deleted 10 Jun 2008 11:59
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In 1000 years man will have removed the chains of religion and realised its full Potential and worship the TRUE GODS

There Names Are

Apple : God Of Sex

Sony : God Of Power

Microsft : God Of Money

Nintendo : God Of Play

To each persons will take there own God, and worship him accordingly

Worshippers of Apple : These very closed minded people will be followers of fashion of luxury and they will report to the Temple of Jobs, Which is created in Glass and Metal Materials (Usally Black or White ones). The Word of Jobs is that although Our God is a better and more reliable God we still only have a handful of people compared to other temples.

Worshippers Of Sony:These people wll crave the Power and using the branding wirtten in stones using spiderman font, will spread the message that all of the Other gods are fualty in some way or another. Their temple will have no leader instead the most stupid comment from a follower of the week will earn the right to lead.

Worshippers of Microsoft: Lead by the Great and Mighty Temple Of Gates, By far the most Rich and influenctial God, and although the book of Gates is always falling apart and full of mistakes and errors the loyality of its followers means that it doesnt matter as it just another reason to shove more money into producing the next version of the book which will also break.

Worshippers Of Nintendo: Who follow the Wise and Genius Shigs, Although his word always seems crazy and Flawed in every sense it somehow comes to fruition and all the followers benefit, The worshippers here are by far more varied and include, children, grandparents, mums and dads who all want to follow Shigs word to expand knowledge through brain excercises and matain a healthy pyshical apperance through fitiness while also caring for the temples Nintendogs.

There is one more God but this god only has a small following of Wise elders led by the Temple of Quarters (10 Pence as others may know it) this gods name is...

Atari: God of Creation!
tyrion 10 Jun 2008 14:45
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haritori wrote:
To each persons will take there own God, and worship him accordingly

I'm a multi-denominational heretic, I worship Sexy Power Play!!!

..ahem...shuffles off, muttering.
Bryan 8 Dec 2008 21:02
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@supersaiyan4

<Ok firstly EPIC's Mark has officially stated that not only will UT3 be on the disc but ALL the content the PS3 and PC has had including some extra stuff AND will look better on the 360 version...On ONE disc.>

no it doesn't look better then the PC version, now you are just making things up, first of all PC version supports higher resolutions when UT3 360 is only 1280x720 you can get up to 2500x1600 on the PC, don't give me that s**t that's 1080P when it's actually 720P it supports 1080p but that's not the native resolution, also on the PC you can turn on ALL the effects, you get better aiming and mod support and all that junk, he never said 360 looked better he implied it but it's not by a landslide either, and if you are going to say PC uses DVDs too then go buy a PC game and try and play it and notice you gotta go through a 15-20 minute installation where they create files that usually total up to 10-20GB depending on the game. If you say you can instlal games on the 360, then A it would take too long and B your hardrives are overpriced. Oh yeah 360 version also took an extra year, also all the addon conttent are megs nothing to gloat about...



<Only 1 Japanese developer has needed 4 discs but I personally dont see a problem in swapping discs especially when you can play for like 10hrs or more on each disc.>

But more then 1 have used more then two discs. Swaping discs makes it more complicated for the developers because A the same files gotta be on each disc all the maps gotta be on one disc rather then when you are playing multiplayer oh wait they just chose this map now take out ur disc.

<Sure I will hold up my hands and say yep DVD 9 discs are in most cases not all that for gaming this gen but considering what developers are able to do thus far 360 games are looking pretty damn good take Gears of war for example and COD4 and PGR4.>

COD 4 is multiplatform dumbass andCOD 4 graphics aren't that impressive once you've seen the maxed out PC version, it's not even impressive technically, the games not even 'HD' it's resoluton is 600p,2x aa, Gears of war looks good has hardly any cutscnes, has 5 levels with like 8 small maps that can hold 8 people,6 weapons? It's pretty but you see how restricted you are on space. Also for GOW 2, it's the same game exept improved color, and new levels, some levels may be bigger but this time around they used more space.
Bryan 8 Dec 2008 21:03
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@supersaiyan4

<Ok firstly EPIC's Mark has officially stated that not only will UT3 be on the disc but ALL the content the PS3 and PC has had including some extra stuff AND will look better on the 360 version...On ONE disc.>

no it doesn't look better then the PC version, now you are just making things up, first of all PC version supports higher resolutions when UT3 360 is only 1280x720 you can get up to 2500x1600 on the PC, don't give me that s**t that's 1080P when it's actually 720P it supports 1080p but that's not the native resolution, also on the PC you can turn on ALL the effects, you get better aiming and mod support and all that junk, he never said 360 looked better he implied it but it's not by a landslide either, and if you are going to say PC uses DVDs too then go buy a PC game and try and play it and notice you gotta go through a 15-20 minute installation where they create files that usually total up to 10-20GB depending on the game. If you say you can instlal games on the 360, then A it would take too long and B your hardrives are overpriced. Oh yeah 360 version also took an extra year, also all the addon conttent are megs nothing to gloat about...



<Only 1 Japanese developer has needed 4 discs but I personally dont see a problem in swapping discs especially when you can play for like 10hrs or more on each disc.>

But more then 1 have used more then two discs. Swaping discs makes it more complicated for the developers because A the same files gotta be on each disc all the maps gotta be on one disc rather then when you are playing multiplayer oh wait they just chose this map now take out ur disc.

<Sure I will hold up my hands and say yep DVD 9 discs are in most cases not all that for gaming this gen but considering what developers are able to do thus far 360 games are looking pretty damn good take Gears of war for example and COD4 and PGR4.>

COD 4 is multiplatform dumbass andCOD 4 graphics aren't that impressive once you've seen the maxed out PC version, it's not even impressive technically, the games not even 'HD' it's resoluton is 600p,2x aa, Gears of war looks good has hardly any cutscnes, has 5 levels with like 8 small maps that can hold 8 people,6 weapons? It's pretty but you see how restricted you are on space. Also for GOW 2, it's the same game exept improved color, and new levels, some levels may be bigger but this time around they used more space.
Bryan 8 Dec 2008 21:05
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SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
You know what I find extremely confusing? How is it that PC games are still on CD/DVD...Crysis is on one disc...Why don't PC games developers have issues?

Also just checked at it looks like MGS4 is a 10hr game...50gb of space used for a 10hr game? *Slaps forehead*

Because it's compressed to the disc, you have to install and extract all of it before you can play it
SuperSaiyan4 9 Dec 2008 13:26
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You know what I hate is PC gamers always claiming their version of the game looks better in actual fact the game can only look as good as the money you have thrown into your PC setup i.e. the hardware.

Obviously on a PC thats built with the best hardware money can buy the games will always look better than any console game however console games have caught up to PC games - look at Far Cry 2 for example there is not that huge of a difference between console and PC games.

To put it simply back in the old days there was a huge night and day difference between consoles and PC's but today thats just not the case.

You got a high end rig then yeah your games are gonna look better whilst you sit there for ages installing your game then having to patch it which means waiting to download then installing a patch.

I used to be a PC gamer then woke up its not worth wasting money as PC parts become obsolete very quickly.
Anynoumus 30 Nov 2009 20:58
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I Think In The Next Gta Game There Should Be a car with miniguns, rocket lauchers and stealth,turbo booster and super grip tires
coolgamerguy 30 Nov 2009 21:01
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I Think that next game of gta there should be a car with miniguns,rocket launchers,stealth and super grip tires
UnKnown 14 Apr 2010 12:12
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@Anynoumu
I Think In The Next Gta Game There Should Be a car with miniguns, rocket lauchers and stealth,turbo booster and super grip tires


That's f**king retarded
Ryan 24 Sep 2010 10:51
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It's rediculous they had better work something out with both consoles or whatever console they're having problems with at the moment or by the time they release the game everyone would have lost interest, patents and suspence for the coming of it. Besides by the time they figure out something technology will improve yet again and Rockstar Games will have to re-do the whole game again. And/or some smart allec will create a hit game just like the new gta v game coming out maybe even better. So what I'm getting at here they might want to hurry up.

But hopefully it will be released in late 2010 on PS3, Xbox360 + PC.
I Think they might go off with a big bang at the 2010/2011 new year and release it then. It probably will be guarenteed that they will release it after Christmas. That's if they're ready to release it in the next 3 months. If not it'll be mid 2011 before we even see a good glimpse

Thanks.
Ryan 24 Sep 2010 10:57
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My xbox360 has 250GB and it is also the elite the newest elite though. Infact it's the newest ever It might even be the solution to the GTA 5 memory space problem!
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