Manhunt 2 Launch Trailer Inside - Censorship Debate Summarised
If you are squeamish, don’t look
Manhunt 2 is out in the US next week. It’s not out here because the UK is resorting to becoming a Victorian-era, no-fun, nanny state hellhole. Thanks BBFC!
Whatever. Get this on import next week (on Halloween) horror fans. We are particularly looking forward to getting the PSP version and then scaring grannies with it on the bus (note to The Daily Mail: THIS IS A JOKE).
Though if you’re not a horror fan, steer clear, as it’s not one for the squeamish.
Look at this video right below these words. If you don’t like it or feel turned off, don’t buy the game.
Oh, and parents/shop owners, don’t let kids buy it. It's an adult game.
Oh, and general non-gaming 'up in arms about these evil games corrupting our youth' people - the average age of a gamer is twenty-eight. Which means the average aged gamer is old enough to decide what he or she wants to play. Got it? Good.
Simple. Debate over. Move on.
Whatever. Get this on import next week (on Halloween) horror fans. We are particularly looking forward to getting the PSP version and then scaring grannies with it on the bus (note to The Daily Mail: THIS IS A JOKE).
Though if you’re not a horror fan, steer clear, as it’s not one for the squeamish.
Look at this video right below these words. If you don’t like it or feel turned off, don’t buy the game.
Oh, and parents/shop owners, don’t let kids buy it. It's an adult game.
Oh, and general non-gaming 'up in arms about these evil games corrupting our youth' people - the average age of a gamer is twenty-eight. Which means the average aged gamer is old enough to decide what he or she wants to play. Got it? Good.
Simple. Debate over. Move on.
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deleted 25 Oct 2007 14:53
1/13
SPOnG wrote:
Oh, and parents/shop owners, don’t let kids buy it. It's an adult game.
Oh, and general non-gaming 'up in arms about these evil games corrupting our youth' people - the average age of a gamer is twenty-eight. Which means the average aged gamer is old enough to decide what he or she wants to play. Got it? Good.
Simple. Debate over. Move on.
Oh, and general non-gaming 'up in arms about these evil games corrupting our youth' people - the average age of a gamer is twenty-eight. Which means the average aged gamer is old enough to decide what he or she wants to play. Got it? Good.
Simple. Debate over. Move on.
Like thats going to work, thats just made the average 28 yr old gamer look a little immature, because i dont htink there concern is with the average gamers its with kids playing them?? am i wrong? although nice to see age verification on the video :)
zoydwheeler 25 Oct 2007 15:03
2/13
You seem to have not read the first sentence in that quote:
Oh, and parents/shop owners, don’t let kids buy it. It's an adult game.
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deleted 25 Oct 2007 15:11
3/13
zoydwheeler wrote:
You seem to have not read the first sentence in that quote:
Oh, and parents/shop owners, don’t let kids buy it. It's an adult game.
i did read it, as to why i quoted it and yes its a good sentence just unfortunate its followed by a rant. the problem im stating is that the gamer world in general is just jumping on the bandwagon as bad as the BBFC and Parents are, perhaps someone should show a little dignity and understanding of the other party, its a bad state of affairs when people concerned with childrens safety is pushed to back of gamer rights?
but what do i know
im just a gamer, parent, voter?
daz 25 Oct 2007 15:32
4/13
i see the banning of manhunt to as a good and bad thing:
on the good side we don't get sequale to a s**t overrated game.
but
on the bad side it's telling adults that they can't make up thier own mind on what games they can play.
on the good side we don't get sequale to a s**t overrated game.
but
on the bad side it's telling adults that they can't make up thier own mind on what games they can play.
zoydwheeler 25 Oct 2007 15:43
5/13
Point taken. But I don't think that it's an issue of "gamer's rights" versus "protecting children" as if it were then most moral philosophers (and anyone with an ounce of common sense) would plump for the latter.
The issue is clearly much more complex - I personally don't want to play this game, just as I personally don't want to watch extremely hardcore horror flicks, or read trashy horror novels. And I certainly don't want my younger children doing any of the above.
However, if I use the logic that such material should not be allowed to be played/watched/read by other adults because it might be harmful if their children were to be exposed to it... Well...That's a dangerous road. By that logic you may as well burn a lot of the books and CDs on most people's living room shelves... Plus, those Greek classicists and Shakespeare too, some of the stuff they came out with - phew! Wouldn't like my kids seeing any of that FILTH!
The issue is clearly much more complex - I personally don't want to play this game, just as I personally don't want to watch extremely hardcore horror flicks, or read trashy horror novels. And I certainly don't want my younger children doing any of the above.
However, if I use the logic that such material should not be allowed to be played/watched/read by other adults because it might be harmful if their children were to be exposed to it... Well...That's a dangerous road. By that logic you may as well burn a lot of the books and CDs on most people's living room shelves... Plus, those Greek classicists and Shakespeare too, some of the stuff they came out with - phew! Wouldn't like my kids seeing any of that FILTH!
zoydwheeler 25 Oct 2007 15:43
6/13
oops double posted...
Joji 25 Oct 2007 20:22
7/13
A PSP Manhunt 2 import would be nice, now there's an idea. I wonder what mail order from Holland is like?
Joji 25 Oct 2007 20:22
8/13
A PSP Manhunt 2 import would be nice, now there's an idea. I wonder what mail order from Holland is like?
Joji 25 Oct 2007 20:23
9/13
A PSP Manhunt 2 import would be nice, now there's an idea. I wonder what mail order from Holland is like?
Joji 25 Oct 2007 20:24
10/13
A PSP Manhunt 2 import would be nice, now there's an idea. I wonder what mail order from Holland is like?
Joji 25 Oct 2007 21:52
11/13
Sorry about that quad post, laptop is playing up.
To Daz, I'd really like to know, how do you know Manhunt 2 is a crap game? Have you played it?
That's kind of like judging Mario Galaxy on the previous Mario Sunshine, something you should never do unless you've sampled both. I get the impression you are judging Manhunt 2 on Manhunt 1, same perhaps as BBFC probably.
All I'd like is the choice to find out for myself.
To Daz, I'd really like to know, how do you know Manhunt 2 is a crap game? Have you played it?
That's kind of like judging Mario Galaxy on the previous Mario Sunshine, something you should never do unless you've sampled both. I get the impression you are judging Manhunt 2 on Manhunt 1, same perhaps as BBFC probably.
All I'd like is the choice to find out for myself.
PreciousRoi 26 Oct 2007 03:43
12/13
bah, it has nothing to do with 'gamer's rights". Just the rights of the individual, no need to ghettoize it. Parents and children and gamers.
Is my right as an individial to procure whatever intellectual property (be it game, book, videogame, movie, etc...) trumped by someone else right as an individual?
I say not.
The argument only comes close to holding water if you assume that parents have no control over what their children are exposed to, and assume that its governments job to attempt to effect this control by restricting the content that EVERYONE has access to. I swear, before anyone is allowed to have children they should be forced to watch "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" until they get it.
Now, I'm now saying that some kind of ratings system isn't appropriate, I'm all for parents having all the tools they need to make informed descisions about what to buy for their kids. What breaks the system is the reluctance of console manufacturers to allow Adults Only titles. Theres a good idea for a law, forcing the console manufacturers no allow them, would remove the stigma from the companies, since they'd have no choice about it. So a game like Manhunt 2 could be released as it should be, not as a neutered Mature version, but as the full blown Adults Only cut.
I found the original Manhunt entertaining enough, but I won't buy a censcored version of anything. If children aren't supposed to be playing it, then it should be what it is, if you've modified it for the sake of children who aren't supposed to be playing it at all, how much sense does that make?
Is my right as an individial to procure whatever intellectual property (be it game, book, videogame, movie, etc...) trumped by someone else right as an individual?
I say not.
The argument only comes close to holding water if you assume that parents have no control over what their children are exposed to, and assume that its governments job to attempt to effect this control by restricting the content that EVERYONE has access to. I swear, before anyone is allowed to have children they should be forced to watch "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" until they get it.
Now, I'm now saying that some kind of ratings system isn't appropriate, I'm all for parents having all the tools they need to make informed descisions about what to buy for their kids. What breaks the system is the reluctance of console manufacturers to allow Adults Only titles. Theres a good idea for a law, forcing the console manufacturers no allow them, would remove the stigma from the companies, since they'd have no choice about it. So a game like Manhunt 2 could be released as it should be, not as a neutered Mature version, but as the full blown Adults Only cut.
I found the original Manhunt entertaining enough, but I won't buy a censcored version of anything. If children aren't supposed to be playing it, then it should be what it is, if you've modified it for the sake of children who aren't supposed to be playing it at all, how much sense does that make?
daz 27 Oct 2007 17:18
13/13
Joji wrote:
Sorry about that quad post, laptop is playing up.
To Daz, I'd really like to know, how do you know Manhunt 2 is a crap game? Have you played it?
That's kind of like judging Mario Galaxy on the previous Mario Sunshine, something you should never do unless you've sampled both. I get the impression you are judging Manhunt 2 on Manhunt 1, same perhaps as BBFC probably.
All I'd like is the choice to find out for myself.
To Daz, I'd really like to know, how do you know Manhunt 2 is a crap game? Have you played it?
That's kind of like judging Mario Galaxy on the previous Mario Sunshine, something you should never do unless you've sampled both. I get the impression you are judging Manhunt 2 on Manhunt 1, same perhaps as BBFC probably.
All I'd like is the choice to find out for myself.
I'm not saying it is crap it might be good, but if you found the first one crap why would buy the second?
All I'm saying is it's *most likely* gonna be crap if the first one is anything to go by, mario sunshine and mario galaxy can't really be compared the gameplay looks too different (like RE4 and the Classic RE's) where as with Mnhunt and Manhunt 2 the look to have pretty much identical gameplay.