Manhunt 2 isnt a game its a sadistic twisted extremely violent game that should NEVER have been made in the first place.

How can we Brits know this if we're not legally allowed even to sniff a place where its box once sat?

How can we form any moral judgements if we're not allowed to make choices based on what we can experience?

Or are we merely supposed to believe what we're told? Now that would be a sick, twisted world.

Tim

The whole ratings system needs a review if a game's being refused a 18+ rating. There's no way that they are actually suggesting this isn't suitable for adults - the problem is that they don't trust the system to keep this away from children.

This is now a "moral" battle, there's no profit left in Manhunt 2 after this but Take 2 aren't giving up that easily. I think we need to take this opportunity to change the system, it's clear that it doesn't work if nobody trusts it. Maybe parents should be forced to play trough a demo before they are allowed to purchase age limited games. I don't know whether or not that would work out, that's not my job.

Sorry, I'm with SS4 on this. I'm not a fan of all-out censorship, but that doesn't mean you should allow anything out onto the streets for the sake of upholding a principle. You don't need to be able to buy child pornography to know that it's wrong, and I don't think that a 'game' encouraging you to violently kill people is as far away from that as some would like.

The argument about child porn is often thrown in as some kind of show stopping ultimate argument when it comes to censorship. The problem with that is: firstly, child pornography is actually illegal. Secondly any child involved in it will have been suffering. Thirdly, it actually involves real life people.

Manhunt 2 is not illegal. Is virtual. No one actually gets hurt.

In the last 30 years, I can think of one outstanding example of how a created work lead someone to kill someone else. That work was 'The Catcher in the Rye' which Mark Chapman states as part of his stimulus to shoot John Lennon dead.

Then again, Lennon was involved in the recording of Helter Skelter, apparently the impetus for Charles Manson's Family to murder Sharon Tate...

Maybe A Clockwork Orange could be chucked into the mix or maybe Taxi Driver, Jodie Foster, John F. Hinckley Jr and a shot Bonzo Reagan?

So, we ban two novels, one song and one movie? I don't think so. The Manhunt 2 debate concerns the BBFC refusing to allow me the choice to buy something totally legal with my own money and at my mature years. I am waaaay over 18.

As it is, I would had to get hold of a hooky copy in order to see what all the fuss is about. If I could get hold of a dodgy copy - then so could my teenaged old niece. She's also far more likely to want to go and get the forbidden fruit.

Oh, for the record, from what I have seen of MH2, I wouldn't touch it with someone else's axe handle. But I find games in which you wander around blindly killing people intensely dull and childish.

Oh, for the next record, according to Malcolm McDowell, Kubrick withdrew A Clockwork Orange because his family was getting death threats. The BBFC rated it as an .X' on December 15th 1971 - it's now an 18.

Yours, listening to the the Ninth!

Tim

(Let's ban every single John Wayne movie ever made banned (well, not Red River or True Grit) because they 'teach' people to hate and kill Injuns, Vietnamese people, Japs and so on and so forth.)