Like thats going to work, thats just made the average 28 yr old gamer look a little immature, because i dont htink there concern is with the average gamers its with kids playing them?? am i wrong? although nice to see age verification on the video :)

You seem to have not read the first sentence in that quote:

i did read it, as to why i quoted it and yes its a good sentence just unfortunate its followed by a rant. the problem im stating is that the gamer world in general is just jumping on the bandwagon as bad as the BBFC and Parents are, perhaps someone should show a little dignity and understanding of the other party, its a bad state of affairs when people concerned with childrens safety is pushed to back of gamer rights?

but what do i know

im just a gamer, parent, voter?

i see the banning of manhunt to as a good and bad thing:

on the good side we don't get sequale to a s**t overrated game.

but

on the bad side it's telling adults that they can't make up thier own mind on what games they can play.

Point taken. But I don't think that it's an issue of "gamer's rights" versus "protecting children" as if it were then most moral philosophers (and anyone with an ounce of common sense) would plump for the latter.

The issue is clearly much more complex - I personally don't want to play this game, just as I personally don't want to watch extremely hardcore horror flicks, or read trashy horror novels. And I certainly don't want my younger children doing any of the above.

However, if I use the logic that such material should not be allowed to be played/watched/read by other adults because it might be harmful if their children were to be exposed to it... Well...That's a dangerous road. By that logic you may as well burn a lot of the books and CDs on most people's living room shelves... Plus, those Greek classicists and Shakespeare too, some of the stuff they came out with - phew! Wouldn't like my kids seeing any of that FILTH!