The way things are going for the playstation they might as well rebrand the PS3 as (what it is) a cheap blu ray player & then the games should be ready for the PS4 launch!.......maybe.

sony should of avoided this console launch until next year when the price of components would be cheaper, when hdtv is more accessible in europe and the east and most of all when games could be ready, surly they could of rode the ps2 success until end of 2008 for a ps3 release which i reckon would make more business sense and possibly made the ps3 a success.

I just typed out a long rant.

No need. One picture says it all:

No crash damage! If that's the case, I certainly won't bother with it. get with the times Sony/Polyphony.

Damn, Forza 2 and Dirt are looking like real sweet options now.

No point musing over it, PS3 is dead in the water, only Sony can change it's fate but the temple of greed blinds them.

If it were me, I'd get God of War 3 whipped up, cut the price of PS3 by £100 and level things out.

It's not a deal-breaker for me, that's for sure. I'm not really that bothered. GT has non-visual damage (car failing/under-performing/not handling) crash physics built-in which is more important han what it looks like.

The frustrating part is that Polyphony, who did invent the sub-genre, was unable for all those years to sign deals with the auto manufacturers allowing them to show car damage. In the meantime, new-comers have walked in and had the same deal signed off.

The problem now is that PD has to start from the ground up coding in the damage at a time when every single element of the game takes massively longer to code. So I would imagine that as the studio is somewhat struggling to get games out the door as they stand, the idea of coding in a bunch of crash data is not exactly appealing, especially as it is basically a first for them.

On a wider note, comparing Forza and GT isn't really that fair when the complete picture is looked at as a whole. Microsoft WILL pump as much money into Forza games as the studio demands. Given the current climate, a MASSIVE Gran Turismo cost hitting SCE's anual report is likely to piss off a bunch of shareholders who have proven themselves to be short-termist and quick to anger. Thing is, there comes a point when the cost of development for GT needs to be rationalised against installed hardware. With a PS2 version, there was always going to be enough people wih machines ready to buy GT. Now things have changed.

Sony needs to hit with a price-cut, hammer Christmas sales and just get boxes out there.