New Super Mario Bros. 2

The problem with this review is that use scale it to the developers standards which is not fair considering Nintendo have released a plethora of brilliant games. I don't understand how a game with so called perfect level design can only get a 7/10.

@Tom By no means did he call it a game with perfect level design, rather 'extremely solid platformer'. The hypocrisy in your comment is that although you hamper the reviewer on scaling the game to the developer's standards, you are scaling this review with other reviews which value the game more highly. A clearly biased and unfair approach.

So...while it might still be vastly better than 95% of games on the market, it still only rates a 7 because it failed to vault the developer's own high bar? Really?

(I'm fine with the score, but the reasoning is a bit spurious.)

Thanks for your comments, everyone. Nice to see reasoned arguments and somewhat constructive notes on this. :) I'll explain my thoughts further.

The point that runs through this entire review is that this is a near-exact retread of a game that was released three years ago. You're paying £35-40 for a 3DS game that gives you an identical (visually, thematically) experience to a Wii title that you can get for dirt cheap. This isn't a simple sequel - it feels like a copy-paste job. No matter how good the game is, you'll always get a sense of feeling slightly ripped off. That's not a feeling you should get when playing one of Nintendo's major IPs.

In all honesty, I think I gave Nintendo a fair bit of good will. If any other company had pulled this off, I don't think anyone would give it the benefit of the doubt.

Hope that explains a few things. Cheers!

You are mistaken when you say that nobody else would be allowed to get away with releasing identikit games. It doesn't stop the Call of Duty games from getting 10s across the industry year after year. Or FIFA. Or any amount of other annually released blockbusters. (Not that you review any of those games here, of course.)

It all comes down to, for me, the fact that Nintendo are treated differently than anyone else. It is increasingly prevalent across games media that there are games that are liked, and games that don't fit with the audience that they want to chase. CoD is the benchmark, and when it gives more of the same it gets rewarded. And I can understand this approach from a business perspective, because websites want those eyes on those ads. But, please, don't try to pretend that anyone, yourself included, gives Nintendo goodwill. When the review itself starts off by admitting that Nintendo are held to a different standard, and tells us that the source of your disappointment is the calibre of the developer, it is only right that people call to question your review score. True objectivity holds EVERYONE to the same standards.

Hi CheekyLee

So... you're saying I should have given NSMB2 a higher score, because everyone else scores Modern Warfare games highly?

I don't believe I've ever said that people couldn't call to question my review score. It's good to have a debate. Sadly, I feel your comment is missing the point, somewhat.

I don't review any of the other games you mentioned here (which makes your point about me holding everyone to the same standards slightly redundant), but the thing is you can't compare sports games with platformers. Sports titles aim for realism, while platformers take players on an adventure. When you play through the same adventure twice, it's bound to give you player fatigue. It's like watching two identical James Bond films compared with watching two football matches.

You can't really compare the Call of Duty series with this either, as much as I agree with you on its annual, repetitive nature. I don't claim NSMB2 to be "identikit" in the same way as CoD, at all. CoD games may be "identikit" in engine, set-pieces and formula, but not in terms of specific story. That's where, I imagine, CoD games "get away with releasing identikit games".

Following a formula is not bad, as stated in my review - if this game was on the same level as, say, Super Mario Galaxy 2, then I'd have no issue. But, again, as I write in my review (and subsequent comment), it's clearly not.

Regardless, I try not to review games based on other genres and unrelated, non-competing titles. I primarily review a games on its own merits, not by anything else's - as well as its place in the genre that it belongs to.

Thanks for your comments, all!

Review scores are a quantification. Applying anything but uniform scales to all games regardless of genre, developer, or platform is the only approach that anyone should take. This is something that you have not only failed to do here, but have admitted to doing. (Please, don't mistake me. I have no issue at all with the score you gave. 7 is probably perfectly fair in an industry that loves to skew averages towards the top end. More games should be getting scores all over the 10-point scale.) What I am questioning is the process that you followed in order to assign it.

Would you have scored it higher if it was Super Harry O.'s Coin Carnival by Bob's Games, for example? Or, to field the question slightly differently, should it not score exactly the same as New Super Mario Bros. Wii if it is so similar? If the quality of the title is as high as you state, and it is only your own expectations that have not been matched, is it really fair to mark down the game as a direct result of this?

The quality of the title is high. Which is why it gets a 7/10. A 7/10 is a score handed to a good game.

That 7/10 was assigned for the following reason: It was a franchise game that failed to live up on its own two legs as its own. It failed to characterise itself as a true sequel. It felt more like an expansion pack than full-fledged cartridge release. Again, the review explains this and goes further than mere "expectation".

On your point of marking this game the same as New Super Mario Bros Wii... this is a three-year old game. Had NSMB2 proved itself to be, in my eyes, sequel material (in the same way Super Mario Galaxy 2 is to Super Mario Galaxy) then perhaps this would have been the case. To expect the same score as a 2009 game, when fans expect more in 2012, is unreasonable.

You also assume that the game is 'marked down'. From what, exactly? Could you explain this point? I do not mark down when reviewing a game. I assess all the features of a product, determine whether under the circumstances it is value for money and place a score that I feel is appropriate. No 'marking down' occurs in the process.

STFU your opinion is invalid @Jackie

7/10 my Goomba. Generous much? This game is worthy of a 5.5/10, nothing more.